Was David Haye Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion? Please vote!

it's almost impossible to hold all four titles at once now! Haye was the undisputed cruiserweight champ without doubt.

 

Technically no, but i've voted yes because i'm a contrary ****

 

Well thats better than voting 'yes' because you don't understand what "undisputed" means. (no names, no packdrill).

 

Agree with this.
The old idea of WBA/WBC/IBF is an outdated one. The IBF make it very hard for a fighter to pick up their belt sometimes. You have to work your way up their rankings gradually, sometimes fighting unknown fighters. Whilst this maybe a noble route to take, it doesn't always fit in to a promoters or fighters plans. It may also harm your credentials with the other sanctioning bodies.
Personally I think Haye did what he had to do at Cruiserweight, and a fight with Cunningham was a tough sell. Which is what Boxing usually boils down to.
I remember when Lennox Lewis became the Undisputed Champion and Herbie Hide was running around with his trinket claiming "How can he cll himself Undisputed while I'm around":nut
Incidentally Wikipedia, that great bastion of truth, has a list of Undisputed Champions, and Haye is on there:deal
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_undisputed_boxing_champions[/ame]


P.S. Are there any Undisputed Champions out there at the minute?

 

:good:yep

 

For me if one of the "Big 3", maybe the "Big 4", governing bodies has another title claimant then the guy that holds the other belts isn't undisputed.

That doesn't mean Haye wasn't "the man" at Cruiser or that he had anything left to prove at the weight. Just that, strictly speaking, he wasn't undisputed because the IBF were disputing his claim. Whether we think this is a valid or worthwhile dispute is irrelevant.

Will all that matter when his Cruiserweight career is looks back on and assessed? Probably not IMHO.

(Prior to the IBF 'undisputed' did just mean holding the WBC and WBA belts but times have (unfortuneatly) changed since then)

 

When Lennox was getting stripped he was still undisputedly the best heavyweight in the world but thats very different from being the undisputed champion. Not the same argument at all Losfer.

 

Yes he was. The linear championship is the only thing that matters. All the belts are devalued to an extent these days, some more than others, the ibf title at the time was as meaningless as Enzo's chrimbo ******* wbo belt simply because it wasn't held by Mormeck.

edit: it won't let me write c.r.a.c.k.e.r. How silly.

 

yes

 

All these corrupt sanctioning bodies must love these types of threads, with hardcore boxing fans stating the only thing that makes a undisputed champion is holding the WBC/IBF/WBA titles and paying all those lovely fees that go along with it.

Hard to apply when its so easy to be stripped...unless u spend the whole year fighting (often) joke tomato can mandatories.

And the WBA are the biggest joke in boxing...Its not enough to have a champion in each divison...those greedy ****s want 2.

Amazing the amount of ppl effectively defending these orgs.

 

Is the WBA's defintion important? Their definition sucks. 2 or more titles? That means anybody with a combination of any two of the main 4 titles is an 'Undisputed champion'. Which is clearly nonsense.

You've always had to have the traditional 3 belts to be deemed an undisputed champion, I'm not sure why that would change. Haye didn't win the IBF on a technicality, but its tough luck really because he had the opportunity to fight for it.

In this day and age I think you even have to try to win all four, especially if the WBO holder is legit. Otherwise he's got a 'claim' too.

I can't say I actually give a toss about becoming 'undisputed champ', I'm more interested in who a guy beat, everybody knows the politics involved with attaining all of them.

 

Haye was the only cruiserweight worth acknowledging as a champ.

 

Thats a big leap of <ahem!> 'logic'. I'd say most people on that side of the argument are just defending the correct use of the word "undisputed" which a lot of people seem to having trouble with....

Its nothing to do with sticking up for the orgs, people arn't saying that IBF belt was important or that Hayes career at Cruiser is devalued because he didn't win the IBF belt, just that its a fact that he was never the undisputed champion.