No, but this is different. Guys who do that are knocked out INSTANTLY. I started a thread about it, the other day. All boxers who get knocked out cold/convulsive are INSTANTLY out. There is only one exception in the entire history of boxing, which is Marciano vs Layne, but even there you can't see whether he still has his wits about him to make a "wtf" look at the referee like Dirrel did. Lewis vs Grant, Rahman vs Lewis I, Wlad vs Chambers, Tyson vs Tillmann, Witherspoon vs Eklund (it's on YouTube in case you haven't seen it), Peter vs Jeremy Williams, Johnson vs Roy Jones, Marciano vs Walcott I, Walcott vs Charles III, Ruddock vs Dokes, etc etc etc. What do they have in common? They guy knocked out cold are ALWAYS instantly out. Great KO. Thomas wasn't out cold though. He was in very bad shape, similar to for instance Moorer against Foreman, but he wasn't out COLD. Guys that are out cold (like Dirrel supposedly was) always go INSTANTLY and don't find a soft place to lie down. Unless it's a case of serious brain trauma, obviously - like McClellan vs Benn. Go ahead and show me a knockout where one guy is out cold/convulsing and it was a delayed reaction. It happens next to never. You're either struggling to get up while able to break your fall a bit, or out cold without being able to give a "wtf" look and grab your head to signal that you got hit illegally. Furthermore, all of these guys took minutes to get up and were very slow and quiet when they did. Dirrel? He got up very quick and was very loud, animated and active. That said, you can never be sure and i don't know whether he was faking it or not. But there's quite a bit of circumstantial evidence that speaks against him. It really doesn't matter, though. AA deserved to be DQ'd. And even if he was faking it, i don't blame him. It would've been bull**** if he had to continue after that with AA a point taken away (as he was gonna win on points anyway).
this and your other post and some other stuff I read took me off the fence and now I believe Dirrell to have acted. One thing though, the idea that Abe should be DQ'd is based on the idea that he absolutely blasted AD with bad intentions, purposefully and late. But lets assume AD was acting, but still got caught with a late punch. If he had simply taken a few moments and got up and continued fighting and a point was taken from Abraham, nobody would say he should have been DQ'd, I mean, if AD was ok. The whole DQ thing is based on the acting. So if he was indeed acting, than Abe should not have been DQ'd. I mean, if it was a late punch like ten million other late punches, and a grazing blow that didn't really bother Dirrell nearly as much as he let on, then really he shouldn't have been DQ'd. Unless you believe all late blows should result in auto DQ. Think of all the fights with late punches thrown similar to that, should they all have been DQ'd? On the other hand, if Dirrell wasn't acting and he got smashed that badly, then yes the DQ was fair. For awhile I just couldn't believe Dirrell would take it as far as he did, but the doctors found nothing whatsoever, no concussion, and what Chris as well some of what username posted, these things are hard to argue with. It already looked really weird, but if Chris is correct there really isn't any precedent for Dirrell's reactions anywhere in boxing. If that is true that is extremely damning evidence of an acting job.
That's a really good post man...since I read it I've been trying to find exceptions, but so far I've had no luck disproving it. I always thought it was a combination of acting and real damage, but I might have to re-evaluate how much of each I'm chalking it up to. As you said, it's all semantics anyway since Abraham did a DQ-worthy offense and Dirrell had no incentive to continue after it, but it's interesting to think about nonetheless.
Wow. Good job Chris. Anbody got anything substantial to counter his argument with? It is amazing when you think of what Dirrell did if he did indeed act.
FAIL This content is protected Btw, tell me how you fake, in the span of 1 minute, convulsions, leg stiffening, and twitching like Dirrell displayed when KO'd by Abraham. Are you honestly saying he planned that? :rofl Boy oh boy.
Stovepipe, please see the other thread showing the Roy Jones KO Montel Griffin. It's absolutely indisputable, bullet proof evidence that KOs are not always instantaneous. Montel gets hit, looks at the ref, and then falls down and eyes close. You'll be forced to say Montel was faking it. On the other, you have so little regard for logical consistency you may well not concede the point, but you will look incredibly foolish in doing so. And this I welcome.
insults, emotionalism and a lack of understanding of what Chris wrote. Nothing substantial. If you understood what he wrote you would understand that what happened to Montel doesn't help Dirrell's case. Until I read anything that effectively counters what he wrote, which is thoroughly damning, I have to conclude Dirrell faked. If you want to come back with more insults go ahead but it really is only a way of conceeding to the powerful argument Chris has put forth.
How doesnt Griffin help Dirrells case? They were both hit on ground, they both displayed a slight reaction, then were out. Basically the same thing, which invalidates anything in his argument. Considering his argument is merely based on "buh buh it never happened before" Clearly it did. Now its up to you and him to prove how a fighter can fake being KO'd knowing that he had to sell it with what look like involuntary spasming of the extremities? And do it without sound stupid and biased, which neither of you have accomplished yet.
He obviously rehearsed. He even knew to convulse the leg on the opposite side of where he got hit. You have to remember that the left controls right and vice versa. If you don't rehearse that ahead of time you will never think of it in that situation. This has Quentin Tarantino written all over it.