Was Dirrell faking it???

An MRI does not lie and it has proven that Dirrell faked it.

 

This conversation is completely irrellevant. Abraham committed a blatant and very dangerous foul obviously born of desperation. He sucker punched Dirrell while he was down, and it was clearly intentional. It was a reprehensible act, and nothing that Dirrell did or did not do after the foul is relevant.

 

:good Nice post. Your fighting with the windmills here. They like/love the guy or hate the other guy. Did u see Dirrell's "Let me breath yo" moment at the end of the fight waiting for the decision? [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1odOLQAxJlw[/ame]

I had the problem of not being able to breath right(feeling like the air wasn't getting to my lungs) That scared the **** out of me and run outside to take a breath of fresh air.He was to theatrical if u ask me.And for the hardcore fans ...I don't question the DQ or saying that AA would've won. I just point out the fact that AD was acting.

 

No. It is an interesting exchange of views that examines the actions and motivations of two fighters in a high stakes contest. Always relevant.

Completely agree. The evidence for that is undeniable.

The use of the word 'sucker' is highly interpretive.

Without a doubt. He intended to hit Dirrell.

That depends. It was definitely a foul and he definitely intended to hit. But it was in the heat of the moment. He had been hit on the jaw by Dirrell less than a second earlier WHILE DIRRELL WAS DOWN (for the umpteenth time in his last three outings). And while he intended to hit, he probably did not realize it would be a foul. Things happened too quickly and he failed to pull his punch.



If he realized it was a foul, then he must also have realized it would result in a DQ. And he probably did not intentionally want to be DQ'd.

A mistake, and a costly one at that.

True, as far as determining the correct result of the bout.

Acting or genuine, there was no possible result other than DQ after AA delivered the blow.

 

I know one thing that's not fake

Pure Kelly

 

I have no doubts that Dirrell exaggerated it. When things are getting tough he fails to devilery. We have seen that in the Froch fight as well.

 

Um, you do realize that Armenia, where AA is from, is about 2000 miles away from Holland, right?

On the other hand, you are called MichiganWarrior, which is about 2 miles where Dirrel is from.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black..

I'm talking about a GENUINE KO, not a situation where one fighter has something to win out of being KO'd by a foul punch. I'm talking a real KO.

Go ahead and show me the fight where one guy first has time to pull a "wtf" look and grab his head to show he's hit, then suddenly goes out cold, but after 6 seconds voluntarily uses his back and arm muscles to turns around and lay on his side, then 20 seconds later is up, wild and animated.

The ONLY example in the entire history of boxing is Marciano vs Layne and even there you can't see whether Layne is still conscious to do anything before he goes down, as his body leans on Marciano's temporarily. While being knocked out, he doesn't turn around while using normal voluntary movement, either, nor does he get up quickly and be animated about it afterwards.


What do Klitschko/Chambers, Rahman/Lewis I, Marciano/Walcott I, Patterson/Johansson I, Peter/Williams, Walcott vs Charles III, Louis/Braddock, Lewis/Grant, Pac/Hatton, Abraham/Taylor, Abraham/Gevor, Abraham/Ayala, Tyson/Tillman, Jones/Johnson, Witherspoon/Eklund, Foster/Quarry, Leonard/Green, Tua/Moorer, ALL have in common?

Like i said, in ALL other examples of 100 years of boxing where one guy is layed out cold, they are all:

-Instantly out of this world the moment the punch lands; Dirrel first fully consciously grabbed his head to signal being fouled and showed a likewise facial expression, then, he falls down while pulling his left arm in to land well (a natural, conscious reaction).

-Several minutes on the canvas before they as much as get on a stool; Dirrel voluntarily used shoulder, back and arm muscles after 6 seconds of being down and gets up after less than a minute while showing signs of awareness way before that (pulling away the doctor's flashlight with his glove).

-After being KO'd fighters are always very slow and quiet and not very responsive; Dirrel was as loud and animated as he ever was, and constantly pulling his wtf-face.


As for him "planning" this. You really think it's that hard? You need about half a second to figure out that you can get a DQ win. The moment he was grabbing his head and making the "wtf" look proves already that he realized a foul had been committed against him and that he wanted it noted. Then he might have realized that if he was out, he would have a guaranteed DQ win. Or maybe he was genuinely out of it. Who knows?

We DO know that in the hospital, his CT scan proved negative. No concussion:

http://www.freep.com/article/201003...-Andre-Dirrell-OK-after-scary-incident-at-JLA

Compare that to Taylor, who also suffered a knocked-out-cold moment, but did have a heavy concussion according to the CT scan, and was kept in the hospital for a week.


And why the does everything think it's impossible to fake convulsions? Geez, it's basic motor function. Anyone can do it. I'm doing it right now. Big deal.

See the above: a genuine out-cold KO where there is a delayed reaction, where the victim gets up quickly and remains loud and animated. Griffin vs Jones doesn't qualify because it's the same situation where points can be scored by being "out". I'm talking a genuine KO, not a foul "KO".


Again, no one can definitely know whether he was faking it or not, except Dirrel himself. I'm not sure either. But objectively speaking, there is a lot of circumstancial evidence against him, most notably that convulsing type of KO's are always instant, from the moment the punch landed - unless there's serious brain damage like McClellan/Benn, but the CT scan already proved that Dirrel didn't even have a concussion.

 

Another good, well argued, well-documented post.

I don't have a definite position on the matter of Direll fake or no-fake, but there is certainly a plethora of evidence that he was. Equally, there was evidence that he wasn't.

As Boo pointed out a few posts ago, it doesn't really matter to the outcome of the bout. The DQ was the correct decision. No other decision was possible.

But it is an interesting point of speculation.

I believe AA made a grave mistake. Two mistakes.

First, not pulling his punch.

And second, commenting WITHOUT EVIDENCE on Dirrell's thespian skills.


But both were in moments of great pressure and stress.



One more thing; If Direll ever goes down with his sliding 'baseball-style' gimmick again, the ref should start the count, and the judges should mark "10-8" on their scorecards.


That boy goes down more often than a two dollar *****.

 

How can Dirrell fake it? He got hit cleanly by one of the hardest punches in the SMW division. It's like asking Abraham to him in the face and not to expect to get hurt.

 

Dirrell faked his condition. AA was on the way to knock him out. Dirrel knew that.

 

if you think he's faked it, that is akin to thinking he can take a flush abraham punch clean on his chin without seeing it coming.

and that guy goin on bout "never in 100 years of history" this isn the average situation, he was down on his knees not his feet. plus the human body is amazing. it's the reason that danny williams got 10 bells of **** kicked out of him by vitali, yet lewis stopped him, even though both took the same punches.

 

He took Abraham's punch flush several times during the fight with no effect. Obviously, that doesn't prove anything; sometimes an identical punch seems to do next to no damage, and the next one knocks one clean out.

But, just saying, it's not like he never got hit.

A knockout is a knockout. Do you think your body cares whether you're on your knees or feet when you get hit on the chin? I wasn't talking about the average situation, i was talking about examples where the boxer is knocked out cold, which always happens instantly.

I don't understand the Williams example. Lewis never fought him. :huh

 

lewis fought klitschko as did williams.

im just sayin man, bein ko'd on ya feet an bein ko'd on ya knees are different things. AA has huge power and he threw his weight in the ko punch, hell valuev couldnt have took that one lol

 

Valuev would still be taller than Abraham if he was on a knee.

 

too bad not one credible boxing expert agrees with you. Only team Saurland and nutjobs on this board. Their in your corner. Enjoy their support.

Everybody else sees the obvious. But I find your delusions interesting in a kind of academic way.