Was Dirrell faking it???

he wasn't faking it man...there is nothing other than speculation...no good facts or sources that suggest he was faking...period..that is that

 

"Your boy" ? I don't give a **** who wins; Dirrel is an extremely talented boxer and AA a gifted puncher. It was a great matchup and i'd like to see it again. And i THINK, and i'm not sure, that Dirrel acted. So what? It's you who has the man-crush on Dirrel.

Yeah, but momentum was definitely in Abraham's favor. He was landing more and more, knocked him down the round before, and Dirrel was only running as well as tiring. It's very well possible that Dirrel lasted the distance and won a decision, but there's no denying that AA was getting closer to his KO win.

WTF MAN! Read the conversation before you talk irrelevant **** like this. You made a claim ("no one fails his arm like Hatton did when Pac KO'd him) and i refuted it by those fights. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GRIFFIN vs JONES! Can you actually read the discussion and respond to the points at hand?

Of course, that's what you want to see. Tell me how many boxers that are out COLD who turn their shoulder like that after 4 seconds.

Of course he didn't plan to get DQ'd. Wtf? This is the third time i've had to say nothing was planned, but it doesn't seem to penetrate your thick skull, i'll iterate: Dirrell didn't "plan" a DQ win, but he saw an opportunity for an instant win and took it. And yes, that is speculative on my side. I could be wrong. I fully admit that. But given all the evidence, i find the chance of him faking to be larger than the chance of him first being fully conscious, and then all of a sudden out cold.

He was breathing like any boxer would after 11 rounds of staying away from a huge hitter. At a high rate.

I feel sorry for you if you're uncapable of doing that. Stiffening my leg? Contracting muscles? Sorry but if you can't do that then you're a paraplegic.

Yes, ignore the fact that EVERY SINGLE GENUINE convulsion KO in history is INSTANT, not "wtf..... he hit me while i was down.... ohh..." only to get up quickly and be extremely animated about it.

Of course Shaw twists the facts. This one, from an indepedent source, not a biased one (Dirrell's own promotor), says he was clean and released quickly from the hospital:

http://www.freep.com/article/201003...-Andre-Dirrell-OK-after-scary-incident-at-JLA

 

Who? Who???? All i've seen is Sauerland being thrashed, and rightfully so.

There you go: http://www.freep.com/article/201003...-Andre-Dirrell-OK-after-scary-incident-at-JLA

 

Herr Pontius,

Let me quote:

"Yes, ignore the fact that EVERY SINGLE GENUINE convulsion KO in history is INSTANT, not "wtf..... he hit me while i was down.... ohh..." only to get up quickly and be extremely animated about it."

Am I to understand that you've exhaustively checked that in the history of boxing there is no evidence of a delayed convulsion? Because your claim demands that you've done just that. And you even put it capital letters, which suggests you've done the research.

What is the physiological basis for your assertion? Can you back it up with medical opinion, e.g. from a qualified neurologist? Someone with expertise in neural trauma, who knows what can and can't happen? Not some loose cannon named Pontius Pilate with neither credibility nor authority on such matters?

You can't, can you. This is very disappointing.

 

Well thanks for the link, but....
First of all this is just regarding the CT scan, NOT anything else. And how come someone from Dirrell's camp is unbiased but Shaw isn't.

It proved negative, according to his uncle and co-trainer, Leon Lawson Jr., and he was released.

Check out this link>
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/concussion/article_em.htm

I found it usefull to get info about concussions. You can also read about how to diagnose a concussion and the severity of it.

 

I've studied boxing history for years and years and have seen thousands of matches. And couldn't find any result. So, i made a thread to see what the gathered ESB knowledge could add. The result? Zip. Nothing. The evidence is out there for all to see. Or lack thereof. You don't need a physiology degree to see that NO other genuine convulsing/knocked out cold in history was where one guy showed to be aware and conscious for a second, only then to go out cold.

 

Let's try this again. This has the ring of truth to it, at least in my opinion. It may not have been a convulsion, but an attempt by Dirrell to regain control after the 'electrical storm' that occurs when the brain gets jarred and shut down.

Blaze
After viewing the fight and witnessing the controversy in posts about AD faking, I decided to show the fight to my mother who is a physician to get her assessment.

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Apparently she said when you're hit like that you r nerves shut down and you slowly begin to regain control of your body. She also mentioned that the doctor would have known he was faking as soon as they check his vitals, but she would have to have taken the vitals herself to know for sure.
01.04.10 @ 21:24:16

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=23328&more=1

 

:think

 

she didn't hit anyone or anything

 

EVERY SINGLE GENUINE convulsion KO in history is INSTANT

if this holds true it casts serious doubt on Dirrell

 

what are the known instances of genuine convulsions?

epileptic seizures that included convulsions are routinely NOT instant and are indeed often preceded sings a that predict its occurrence. This is a medical fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonic–clonic_seizure


The seizures are divided into two phases, the tonic phase and the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonic"]clonic[/ame] phase, hence the name of the seizure, though a tonic–clonic seizure will often be preceded by an aura.

• Aura

The person may feel a sense of strong déjà vu, lightheadedness and/or dizziness, unusual (and possibly inappropriate) emotions, intense feelings of discomfort or foreboding, altered vision and hearing (which may or may not include [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinations"]hallucinations[/ame]), and sometimes other symptoms [5]. This is actually a [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_partial_seizure"]simple partial seizure[/ame]. Sometimes, the person will lose complete awareness and start making odd or pointless repetitive movements (such as picking at clothes or lip smacking) towards the end of the aura, at which point the seizure has progressed to become a [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_partial_seizure"]complex partial seizure[/ame]. The aura stage occurs because tonic–clonic seizures often start in an isolated area of the brain, known as the seizure focus, and gradually spreads to the whole brain, whereupon loss of consciousness occurs and becomes a tonic–clonic seizure. An aura may last as little as a few minutes or as long as several hours, though some with [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epilepsy"]epilepsy[/ame] do not experience them at all. Many auras are followed by a tonic–clonic seizure.
Tonic phase The person will quickly lose consciousness, and the skeletal muscles will suddenly tense, often causing the extremities to be pulled towards the body or rigidly pushed away from it, which will cause the person to fall if standing. The tonic phase is usually the shortest part of the seizure, usually lasting only a few seconds. The person may also express vocalizations like a loud moan during the tonic stage, due to air forcefully expelled from the lungs. Clonic phase The person's muscles will start to contract and relax rapidly, causing convulsions. These may range from exaggerated twitches of the limbs to violent shaking or vibrating of the stiffened extremities. The person may roll and stretch as the seizure spreads. The eyes typically roll back or close and the tongue often suffers bruising sustained by strong jaw contractions. [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinary_incontinence"]Incontinence[/ame] is seen in some cases. Due to physical and nervous exhaustion, [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postictal_state"]Postictal sleep[/ame] invariably follows a tonic–clonic seizure. Confusion and complete amnesia upon regaining consciousness is usually experienced and slowly wears off as the person becomes gradually aware that a seizure occurred.

 

class guy we have here. How's that trailer in Georgia treating you these days? Let me guess, you have a rebel flag on the lifted truck and in the front yard. Dirrell got smoked by AA and he never saw it comming, so either you think your boy can't punch or your a ***** crying cause your fighter lost.

AA got schooled, badly.

 

The only KO I can remember where I instantly called bullshi*...he broke his fall with his left arm ffs..his lights were well and truly switched on.

 

Wrong Georgia dude. He has the hammer and sickle flying..... :yep

 

WOW. This isn't an alt account because someone was getting owned now is it? :-(