Was Dirrell faking it???

Tully, I'm pummelling you guys. It's embarrassing.

 

I'm just adding them to my ignore list. Arguing with stupid people makes you stupid. In their minds AA honestly won the fight. Dirrell stole it with deception. I mean. Really. Why bother?

 

Does it matter. If Abraham had turned him upside down with the punch and he landed out of the ring on his head they would just find something else.

 

You haven't provided any examples of a situation similar to Dirrell's.

Are there any other fighters that got knocked out cold that.......

.......had a delayed reaction KO and then went into convulsions
.......came out of a convulsed state within seconds and became extremely animated / energetic
....... were released from the doctor without any sign of having been concussed, with a clean MRI.

Your starting point should be to look up examples of convulsed fighters since that is one of the major keys. Can you find examples of guys in this state that had delayed KO's? Clean MRI's? Immediate recovery?

If you can't, than you must surely admit that Dirrell's case is a first, as far as you know, in the history of convulsing fighters.

IF so, it is highly suspect when you combine it with all the other circumstantial evidence, but I don't even need to go there because I want to stick with this main point, it speaks volumes.

Oh wait with all the links you have provided maybe you already searched and didn't find anything and don't want to tell us........

 

Would you please read? This completely definitive.

Here you, from a peer reviewed article in the Journal of Sports Medicine by Drs. Paul R. Mcrory and Sameul F. Berkhovic (Neurology). Two of the world experts in concussions.

find the article here.
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez[/url]

Title: Concussive Convulsions: Incidence in Sport and Treatment Recommendations:

Summary

Concussive convulsions (CC) are nonepileptic phenomena which are an im-
mediate sequelae of concussive brain injury. Although uncommon, occurring with
an approximate incidence of 1 case per 70 concussions, these episodes are often
confused with post-traumatic epilepsy which may occur with more severe struc-
tural brain injury. The pathophysiological mechanism of CC remains speculative,
but may involve a transient traumatic functional decerebration with loss of cor-
tical inhibition and release of brainstem activity. The phenomenology of the CC
is somewhat akin to convulsive syncope, with an initial tonic phase occurring
within 2 seconds of impact, followed by a clonic or myoclonic phase which may
last several minutes. Lateralising features are common during the convulsions.
There is no evidence of structural or permanent brain injury on clinical assess-
ment, neuropsychological testing or neuroimaging studies. Long term outcome
is universally good with no evidence of long term epilepsy and athletes are usually
able to return to sport within 2 weeks"

within 2 seconds. They didn't say instantaneously. They said within 2 seconds.

I can't wait to see you try and discredit two sports medicine neurologists with publications on concussive convulsions!

 

I can't believe you guys are wasting so much time trying to convince others that your viewpoint is correct, especially for such a subjective situation.

 

if anything that worsens the case for Dirrell, it doesn't appear he goes into convulsions within two seconds of the impact of the punch.

I wonder what they would say about someone grabbing their head first and moving their arms up to their chest and I wonder what they would say about coming out of it almost immediately and acting with animation and energy and having a clean MRI....

 

I get your point but
the argument chris put forth is anything but subjective.

 

+1

 

clean MRI, you ask: pg 135, same article (let me know if you want the pdf):

"All investigations, including EEG, computer-ised tomography and magnetic resonance imaging,are normal in this condition. Their value, however,may be in ruling out other causes of cerebral injury."

NORMAL MRI. Say uncle.

 

No he was hurt.. that was a cheap shot by abraham,dirrell was clearly down and he still hit him.

 

And how can you say otherwise?

I really don't get why Dirrell takes soo much heat, he did ok against Froch in his first 12 rds, he then dominates AA in a very good performance.

Are there any preceding cases to this one more similar than RJJ Montell Griffin?

 

And, to debunk your last and final claim "acting with anmiation and enery ..."

from wikipedia:

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[url]Affective[/url] results of concussion include crankiness, loss of interest in favorite activities or items,[url][36][/url] tearfulness,[url][5][/url] and displays of emotion that are inappropriate to the situation.[url][35][/url] Common symptoms in concussed children include restlessness, lethargy, and irritability.[url][37][/url]


say uncle please and I'll stop.

 

Nobody wants to see that **** again. Abraham had 1 good round was him getting beat on like an abused wife.

Who the **** wants to see Abraham in that stupid shell guard getting beat on and faking low blows just so that he might land a lucky punch.

Sorry, there are better fighters Dirrell can fight that arent one trick ponies like Abraham. Maybe thats your thing I dont know, but I like to see class not caveman in my boxers.

Abraham had one good round. Largely because of the ring doctor gave him a break and closed his wound. Before that he was getting his ass kick. 1 good round and you believe hat Abraham had the momentum. :rofl What a dope, no wonder you think Dirrell was faking its clear you dont have any boxing IQ. If Abraham "had the momentum" then why didnt he land a punch the entire 11th round, if Dirrell was "tiring" then why was he dancing just as fluidly as he had before. Maybe you should stop worrying about whether Andre Dirrell stole a decision loss from Abraham and actually watch the fight.




WTF MAN! Read the conversation before you talk irrelevant **** like this. You made a claim ("no one fails his arm like Hatton did when Pac KO'd him) and i refuted it by those fights. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GRIFFIN vs JONES! Can you actually read the discussion and respond to the points at hand?

Cake
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As you can see Hatton is KO'd, then a few seconds later gets up. Its even a delayed KO. Mayweather doesnt even land the second punch, alot like Ali's KO of Foreman, that final punch wasnt needed, he was already out.

And if you doubt Hatton was KO'd, here's an aerial view

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Hell ole Ricky even plays to the crowd a few minutes later, despite having his head rammed into a ring post.

Again you fail to get the jist of what im saying. If Dirrell didnt plan it, then how could he fake a KO so flawlessly, why twitch, why spasm? Why role over? Why stiffen his leg? Why not just lay there still?

Thats what im saying dumb dumb. There is no way that Dirrell could have executed such a feat without pre-planning, how do you fake a KO just out of the blue? If Dirrell was that clear headed, then there is no chance Abraham had in the fight, he would clearly then be operating at 100% mental capacity.

Again its not speculation, its just plain ******ation at this point.