Was Emmanuel Stewart a weasel?

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  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oliver McCall has said Don King only wanted him (McCall) to be champ so that King could sign Mike Tyson after Tyson got out of prison. (But McCall wasn't champ when Tyson got out of prison.)

    Oliver McCall said Don King drove Steward away from him because Steward knew King's plan of only wanting McCall to be champ so Tyson could beat him (as if it were foretold).

    Then McCall changed his story and said King wanted Oliver to fight Frank Bruno so Mike Tyson could fight Frank Bruno for the title - like it was a given Frank Bruno (who had been knocked out in three previous title challenges) was a sure thing to win the title in his fourth attempt.

    Oliver also said King flew Oliver's family to London just to mess him up while he was training.

    On the flip side, others would say King (thru his connections) got McCall a title shot when NOBODY thought McCall deserved one. (Go back and find any report that says McCall deserved a shot at Lewis.)

    Others would say, when Steward VOLUNTARILY LEFT McCall and Chavez to go work with Lewis, King did pretty well for McCall by enlisting George Benton as McCall's trainer. Benton wasn't exactly a terrible trainer in anyone's mind.

    Others would say, once McCall won the title, King did everything he could to help McCall keep the belt - including originally planning to have McCall's first defense come against Peter McNeeley, but McNeeley was considered a setup and it was thought nobody would buy it, even in Boston. So, instead King got McCall a defense against 45-year-old Larry Holmes and a three-time KO victim in title challenges Frank Bruno as opponents for McCall, both of whom should've been winnable fights for McCall.

    And still others would say King brought McCall's family to London because unstable people tend to do better WITH stability (like family members).

    In fact, McCall was such a screw up, he took the $1.4 million check he got from King for the Bruno fight and put it in his sock. Then he got into an argument with his wife, and when they arrived in the States, she took a flight home and McCall got lost and was robbed. But the robbers were confused by the numbers on the check.

    https://www.upi.com/Archives/1995/09/22/Pro-boxer-McCall-mugged-in-St-Louis/5007811742400/

    McCall was a headcase. None of that was Don King's doing. Don King didn't exactly feed him to the lions in McCall's two title defenses.

    Steward liked to be in total control. He wasn't going to be in total control with McCall or with Chavez or De La Hoya or Tyson or Hamed or a lot of others he worked with ... and when he discovered this, that's why those relationships ended. That's why Vitali chose not to work with him.

    Hearns let Steward run the show. Lennox did, too. So did Wlad. So he remained with them for a long time.
     
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  2. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    I see you posted a source for the mugging incident. And yes McCall is certainly a head case.

    But what you say and what JohnThomas1 said seem to completely contradict each other even though you both brought up good points and evidence.

    I'm completely lost at this point.

    On the one hand, Steward was just minding his own business, got a phone call, started working with Lewis, and Don brain washed McCall into ruining his career.

    On the other hand, Steward was a shrewd control freak whose relationship with his fighters ended because it had to be his way or the highway. King did everything he could to help McCall but he managed to screw himself over.

    The only thing both sides agree with is that McCall was a screw up and played a part in his own demise.

    He most certainly was.
     
  3. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lewis admired Steward for having been the architect of his downfall.

    Likewise, Steward had had his eye on Lewis since the Olympics and, as far as he was concerned, he'd been brought in by King as "a hitman; a hired specialist" for the McCall bout.

    And, even though a released Tyson and Julio Cesar Chavez beckoned for him, the impression one gets is that Steward had wanted Lewis for a while and wasn't going to miss his opportunity.

    But, whilst there was a sense of inevitability about a Lewis/Steward partnership, it almost never happened. Flight Tickets for London had been sent to Thell Torrence, only for Lewis to change his mind and, ultimately, pick Steward for the job.

    Only Lewis and Hornewer (and Lennox's Mother, apparently) favored Steward and it took Lewis to put his foot down with his own management team, in order to get the deal done.
     
  4. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agree, theirs 2 trainers I've never heard ANYTHING negative about in my going on 45 yrs of being a hard core boxing fan. Futch and Steward.
     
  5. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Steward was an expert in training taller boxers to utilize the jab and righthand- he was one of the best in the world at doing that.
    The question should be if your tall with a good jab why WOULDN'T you want Steward to train you?
    Mark Breland should have stayed with Steward his career would have been better.
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    https://www.*****.net/2019/10/01/lennox-lewis-heavyweight-change/

    Former undisputed heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis says fighters should look into what improvements they can make once they suffer a damaging loss. Lewis was shocked twice in his career but came back both times to avenge knockout defeats. In one of those reverses, Lewis actually sought out the services of the trainer who orchestrated his downfall – Emanuel Steward. Once they were together, the pair were inseparable. ‘The Pugilist Specialist’ has now advised other top division contenders to be open to switching once they hit a bad patch in their career. “In 1994, I suffered my first professional loss at the hands of a great punch by Oliver McCall. It was a surprising defeat and it put me at one of the most important crossroads in my career,” said Lewis. “After the loss, I realized that, at that point in my career, there were too many things I didn’t know. I didn’t realize it then, but this loss was a blessing in disguise. “I made the decision to change trainers and linked up with Manny Steward. He showed me how he beat me in the first McCall fight. He showed me levels of the fight game that I had no clue existed before that point. I was playing checkers when he was playing chess. “My alliance with Manny went on to be a fruitful one, as well as, one of the most important relationships of my life.
     
  7. McGrain

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    Yeah, he was definitely involved in "shady things". He worked in high level boxing.

    A thread title like "was Emmanuel Steward involved in shady things", though still basically pointless IMO (because he was and everyone who knows boxing knows he was), would at least be reasonably framed.

    I understand.

    Please present your evidence that Emmanual Steward "tried to recruit" Lennox Lewis.
     
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  8. Boxed Ears

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    A lot of people don't know this but boxer Alex Stewart and boxer and Peruvian model Leslie Stewart, both got their surname by being the adopted children of Manny Stewart, who this thread is apparently not even about.
     
  9. sweetsci

    sweetsci Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I have no idea if "Emmanuel Stewart" was a weasel, as I'd never heard of him. But it sure doesn't look like he had much of a career in boxing.
    https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/205897

    I AM enjoying reading the posts in the thread about the great trainer, Emmanuel Steward. Steward had a GREAT career.
     
  10. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    Are you trying to say that Peruvian model Leslie Stewart and former light heavyweight champion Leslie Stewart are one and the same?
     
  11. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    So it's less offensive to accuse a man of being shady and corrupt than to ask if he was a weasel?

    That isn't a hill I'm willing to die on. My goal was never to prove he did or did not attempt to "recruit" Lewis. My posts have been primarily interrogative in nature. I clearly don't know much on this subject and that's why I asked.
     
  12. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Oh yes.
     
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  13. Italian Stallion

    Italian Stallion Active Member Full Member

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    Steward was a trainer to emulate!
     
  14. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He may have been a weasel, can't see it, but he didn't make the smartest moves all the time (i.e not having Milton McCrory fight Donald Curry in early 1983 for the undisputed welterweight title).
     
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