Was Erik Morales washed up in this fight? (VOTE)

i miss your other alt, nallege. :yep

 

pathetic joyboy, i like that.

you keep whining whereas pac keeps winning. how bout that for a start, maestro?:rofl

 

Naw....this was more less a poor style match up coupled with underestimating Raheem who is very fast and crafty. Every fighter has a bad night and I think this was Eriks. No way was he washed up in my honest opinion but Zahir definitley boxed extremly well that night and I can't take anything away from his win. He did what he had to do.

 

Exactly.....he was past his prime, physically but still able to operate and beat most on the elite levels of his divisions. DLH was past his prime in there with both FLoyd and PAC, but DLH was able to beat most at 154 or at least make competitive outings against the best.

 

Sure.....We've seen "ELITE" level guys have off nights and loose against underdogs in the past. EM is human although he seemed for a very long time to be more than. Phsyically he was past his best but no way was he shot....he couldn't have moved up to anther weight class and beat or almost beat the champion in Diaz if he was completely shot.

 

EVERYONE said Oscar was going to beat PAC. I don't fault myself for that one. PAC has a way of overcomming even the biggest of odds.

EM could have had an off night or took Raheem lightly. EM is human and he's capable of having an off night. I never said he was prime, he was definitley past his best physical prime, but you don't need to be 26 yrs old and at your physical peak to be the best version of yourself. EM was still very smart, crafty and a dangerous fighter who could beat most in or around hisweight class.

Oscar lost to Strum, but that did not mean DLH was shot. He just had an off night and took Felix lightly, and his prefromance showed that. EM, the same thing.

Roach said one thing in order to get under DLH's skin. He wanted to promote the fight and said thngs to get Oscars blood boiling. But I don't take Roach seriously when he's saying things about an oponnent for PAC. Even when he said he'd KO Hatton inside of 3 rounds....sure PAC did it but I thought it was just to get under Floyd sr skin and to push the promotion of the fight and it worked.

Roach said Izzy was shot and should retire, he sid the same about Nard after the JOe C fight. ROcah is great but he's wrong on occassion as well. Nacho said DLH was in great shape after the loss and said it wasn't anything having to do with DLH being shot or overtrained or weight drained and more about the person he was facing in PAC. the speed was too much and the versitilty had Oscar unable to find his rythm.

Everyone has an opinion so we'll just disagree.

 

Sure....there were a very smalle percentage of people who felt PAC would win, but the majority didn't give PAC any. Valero is known to be a tremendous sparring partner and gives everyone hell. So I wasn't surprised he gave DLH a black eye that DLH credited to ORtiz. But even with Roach poppin off at the mouth about PAC doing this and that I gave PAC little chance to beat the odds. As did most.

Based on his then "current" condition he was in tremendous shape and operating at a high level. A year earlier he almost beat Floyd....had a very close fight witht he best boxer on the planet in Floyd jr and them completely dominated Forbes where forbes didn't win a round.

PAC has history of winning when he's given little chance at winning.. He's caused me to loose a lot of money, but I've come to appreciate the special talent he is. He's got a tremendous champions heart and it's amazing how much he's improved under Roach over the last 7 yrs or so. He's the best b/c of his determination and talent. He works hard and he's got the natrual gifts to keep him on top..which is why Floyd is also one of the very best in this era.

EM didn't retire, he came back after the 2nd loss to PAC and IMHO beat Diaz at 135. A shot fighter doens't move up in weight and beat a title holder if he's shot. Roach is right a lot but he's been wrong like he was when he said Nard and Izzy should hang em up. He was wrong about DLH and he was wrong about Morales....although I feel Morales needs to stop now.