Was Fernando Vargas really brought along to quick?

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  1. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its easy to say yes with hind sight but Imn not so sure. I dont know if they could of delayed a Tito fight for too long (maybe a year) AND theres no gurantee De La HOya would of wanted a fight

    He could of been left out in the wilderness for years if he never boxed Tito around 2001 and 2002

    Trinidad would of always give vargas trouble imo
     
  2. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    yes, he was brought along too quick imo along with david reid. i always thought that would be the showdown eventually but they both got thrown to trinidad early in their careers.
     
  3. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think another year could have helped Fernando beat Tito or if he waited a year and Tito moved up it wouldn't have been as big as issue as one might think because Vargas was a massive draw himself so other big fights would have come his way.

    Granted that's just my opinion, Fernando probably wouldn't have been happy if he wasn't trying to fight the very best.
     
  4. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    No excuses, Tito KO Vargas, that happened
     
  5. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I think he was. Anyone who remembers Vargas from the Olympics he was more of a classy boxer. He became somewhat of a crude brawler as a pro and it could of been because of his lack of polish moving up the ranks. Trinidad definitely took a lot out of him and he could have been better served to box more.
    Typical Shelly Finkel looking to cash out a fighter as soon as possible.
     
  6. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Don't get me wrong, it's blatant he was brought along fast. But I just would think it is **** if any posts become geared toward any type of discrediting Tito's win over him as a derivative of people thinking Tito would ever beat him at some other stage of his hypothetical career.
     
  7. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Vargas had the size and skills to beat Tito with a little more disciplined approach. I wouldnt say Trinidad always beats Vargas. Vargas just fought stupid a lot, because he wasnt the brightest guy. He fought more disciplined in the amatuers because of the scoring system but he never learned how to apply that to the pro ranks. He thought he was El Feroz and could slug it out with everyone when he actually had good boxing skills. He used to box pretty good in the gym with Vernon Forrest, although Forrest got the best of most of the time.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

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    I don't think he was dedicated enough, we've seen how he blew up between fights later on, I think thats a symptom of his sloth/lazyness and I doubt he was that hard of a trainer. It was probably good they struck when the iron was hot with him
     
  9. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Trinidad really ruined Vargas. That sweeping left hook in the first round was a serious punch. That was the beginging of the end for Vargas. Halfway through the fight, Vargas was outboxing Trinidad, it must be said. He dropped him with a left hook too. Trinidad would not be denied.




    Great fight.
     
  10. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Vargas showed that Trinidad could be out-boxed. De La Hoya did it the year before and we all know what Hopkins did a year later. Hopkins not only outboxed Trinidad, but also out-punched him as well during the second half of the fight. Trinidad was always one of those fighters who never quite combined offense and defense well together. When he was hunting, he was easily hit with the jab. Very static on his feet at the best of times as well.
     
  11. teeto

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    I disagree with that. I don't see Vargas ever putting on the laterally moving clinic that beats Tito. I think he gets his face ploughed at some point of any bout they ever have. Each to their own.
     
  12. lefthook31

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    Im sure you can find some old Vargas fights maybe in the amatuers to see how mobile he was and how well he could box and move. I think he got caught up a little too much in his own machismo.
     
  13. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Yeah, he did do it for a spots when they fought. That was about it.
     
  14. teeto

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    Yeah, that's how he fights though, I don't see why he wouldn't always do the same, Tito would blitz him every time ultimately imo, and that's all that matters.
     
  15. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/boxing/2000/vargas_trinidad/

    Heres a CNN/ sports illustrated website on the fight (from 10 years ago)

    He had some great wins going into the tito fight (quartey and wright) though its very disputed whether he beat wright it was still a close fight against an elite level fighters.

    Winky later proved himself to be a better fighter than tito and the best junior middle of that era

    I remember people where saying Tito V Vargas was a 50-50 fight. Most thought he was more than ready for tito. i think Vargas was favoured to beat Tito.

    He had been a pro fours years when he fought trinidad. Sugar Ray Leonard had only been a pro two/three years when he stepped up to fight ATG boxers benitez and duran. He never had the regime Vargas had going in against trinidad

    I think vargas was a very good fighter who would always fail when he stepped up to Greatness