Was Floyd Mayweather one of the best athletes in his era?

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  1. Unforgiven

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    True.. and on the flipside, most those footballers would get sparked clean out by a good bantamweight in a serious spar.
     
  2. bodhi

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    Tbh don't know any of those names [emoji23] But then I do not care much about sports pretty much only Americans compete in.

    How do their achievements compare to those who compete professionally in different disciplines/sports?

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  3. reznick

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    I think the incentives for your average athletic phenom are aligned more with mainstream American sports.

    Boxing indeed a second try for many failed high school or college athletes.

    Thinking out loud here, but perhaps the best boxers are those athletic phenoms who attached themselves to boxing from an early age: Ali, Mayweather, etc. I think Morrison had the athleticism to go into football, but he loved boxing and got a tattoo of boxing gloves when he was 9 years old.
     
  4. mrkoolkevin

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    That has more to do with sport-specific skill than athleticism... (and for the record, as an aside, I'm not sure how many would get "sparked clean out").
     
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  5. reznick

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    Have you guys seen popular athletes trying boxing training? They almost always look awful, like complete beginners with poor form.

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  6. Unforgiven

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    Everything is sport-specific (or exercise-specific) though. That's the point.

    There's no pure test of "athleticism" (whatever you think that is) outside of sport itself (or the practice/training areas).

    There's no actual measure to that vague term.
    It's all subjective.
     
  7. mrkoolkevin

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    I just don't see any evidence to support that the best boxers tend to be athletic phenoms whose athletic traits could have brought them glory in other sports. Anything's possible though--I bet there's some very small sub-subset of the subset of boxers who choose to pursue boxing exclusively at a young age, before trying out other sports, who could have thrived in another sport, but that would also be true of the athletes who pursue some of those other sports.
     
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  8. HerolGee

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    he was.

    name top 5 boxers of this century so far , its money pac guaranteed on the list. Stands to reason they gotta be some of boxings best athletes, and some of the best of the 21st C..
     
  9. mrkoolkevin

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    Ok then. Take your good bantamweight and match him up against one of the NFL players I mentioned on my list. Have them compete against each other in every single track & field event, at every basketball position, at every football position, have them compete in rugby and lacrosse, have them fight each other in the boxing ring, and again in an MMA octogon. My assumption is that the bantamweight would get outperformed in damn near every athletic endeavor (quite possibly losing in MMA to boot). They'd be up against bigger, faster, much, much stronger men, who are more explosive, at least as agile, and probably similarly coordinated.

    *I guess we could also have them do tennis, baseball, hockey, swimming, etc. but I have no idea how any of the athletes involved would fare in those sports.
     
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  10. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, I agree. He'd lose.
    That's why Mayweather's not even the best example in the OP. Too small.
    Although Allen Iverson wasn't a huge guy either.

    Wladimir Klitschko would be a better representative for boxing of that era. Certainly, in my opinion. He's the top boxer of the era, not Floyd or Pacquiao.
     
  11. KuRuPT

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    A.I. was an incredible football player, he just never took it to the next level. People still saying Iverson was a better HS QB and Athlete than Vick. Vick is probably the best athletic QB I've ever seen. Nobody was as fast as him nor could throw the ball as far as him. Unbelievable how athletically gifted he was. People thought Iverson was better.
     
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  12. reznick

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    A quick read, but a pretty good write up on the topic:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...etes-are-the-most-fit/?utm_term=.2cc8201363e7

    Which athletes do you believe are, overall, the fittest?

    First, we have to define what "fittest" means. There are a number of ways that you can measure fitness...Let's take body composition as one measure of fitness. For many athletes, having a low level of body [fat] is particularly important.

    If we're going to compare disparate sports, what criteria should we use?

    I think you have to use cardiovascular fitness. I think you have to use anaerobic power. I think you have to use muscular strength. You have to use muscular endurance. And I think body composition as well, comes into play when you're talking about overall fitness....

    One could certainly argue that if you throw a ball 95 miles an hour, or you have a great knuckleball or a great curveball, you can do very well, but you don't necessarily fall in [the category of] the most fit athletes in the world.

    Okay, so does that bring us back to trying to make this comparison?

    ...I've got to think there are certain groups of athletes that would be right up there at the top. So I'll just list them for you: ...I would think that basketball players are probably pretty good overall athletes, and have a pretty high level of fitness in all those areas. I also think that defensive backs in football probably have some of those attributes as well. ...I would probably start with those two.

    When you get into other sports, there's generally something missing. So, for example, let's take wrestling. They've got great muscular endurance, they've got great flexibility, they have great power. They probably have pretty good cardiovascular fitness. So I would put them, maybe in the top, oh I don't know, five or 10.

    I think another position in football would probably be the linebackers. Generally pretty quick, generally pretty fast, pretty good size. Generate a lot of power. They would probably be right there.

    Let me hit you with a couple that I've read about. Boxers?

    Yes, absolutely. I think their muscular endurance is very good. I think their cardiovascular fitness is very good. I have to be honest with you, I'm not so sure about their flexibility...Obviously they have great hand speed, so they have quickness in their upper body.

    ...If you took boxers and you tried to put them in another sport, I don't know how well they would do. They're certainly very fit.

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    You guys should read the whole article, it's pretty good.
     
  13. reznick

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    Makes sense.
     
  14. KuRuPT

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    I tend to agree a little more with Kevin's few on this subject. I think there are better athletes who are also boxers than May, let alone other athletes of other sports.
     
  15. Brixton Bomber

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    Now see if Manny can dunk in their world...
     
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