Was Frazier mentally beat by Foreman?

If foreman was so stylisticly wrong for frazier how come he was 3-1 outsider against joe?

Fraziers stock was based on what he was prior to the ali fight, proving most people knew that frazier could do it. he had not been tested since.

 

because most of foreman's early opponents were tomato cans, thats why.

Foreman is a bad style match up for Frazier, and IMO no version of Frazier beats Foreman

 

I don't think so.

People are very, very quick to assume that the winning fighter also wins the "mental battle".

I think this is because people think it makes them seem as if they have a deeper, psychological understanding of the sport if they are attuned to the 'mental side' of things.

But ultimately, boxing is a sport about skills and the physical. You could be the most mentally resolute person in the world, but if you get cracked with a Foreman punch or meet someone whose style you can't work out, you're going down.

 

Prior to the Kingston fight,george was pretty much untested.

 

and yet his best ever performance was before he fought frazier. In georges win over chuvalo, he stopped chuvalo quicker than frazier had and yet foreman was still 3-1 outsider against frazier. Go figure?

 

which just goes to show how far Frazier was from the fighter the world still thought he was if foreman could dismiss him with the same ease as "tomato cans". Foreman was 3-1 underdog because Frazier was considered 3 times beter than foreman.

Frazier had, up until that point -cleaned out a division, not many realised what that took out of him, those that did still felt he had enough left for george. Sometimes there is one night where it all falls apart. For frazier it was in kingston.

 

Some forget, in 1972 Big George actaully went backwards in progress.

But smartly, Dick Saddler kept feeding 'tomato cans', as there one goal was,
Joe Frazier, who was tailor-made for George.
The George Foreman Team even avoided Jeff 'Candy Slim' Merritt who wanted
a piece of George in late 1972.

 

exactly, foremans tune up fight for the title was terry sorrel who was 4-14. He lasted just as many rounds as frazier. this kinda shows where frazier was at when foreman got him.

 

not mentally.. I'd say Psychically beat. He got completely overpowered.

 

No, Frazier wasn't mentally beat by Foreman, but before Kingston, with the chip off his shoulder following the FOTC. He had nothing left to prove, was in it strictly for the money and openly admitted as much, and the loss of drive and intensity was evident in his interviews at the time of the Daniels and Stander defenses. Arthritis and high blood pressure were also taking a toll, and the progression of these medical problems since his 1969-1970 heyday was considerable.

His mistake in the Uniondale rematch was to wake George up with his best hooks as round four drew to a close. Joe's only chance in that one was to forfeit any chance at a decision win in an all out gamble to extend Foreman and stop him late. It may have been beyond him after Manila, but their rematch was scheduled for 12, and George had never really produced a truly conclusive stoppage beyond round five. (Scrap Iron was halted on a cut eye in seven during 1970, and Foreman's tenth round halt of Goyo in their 1971 rematch has been widely described as dubious.) The one advantage Manila might have given Smoke in their rematch was the recent experience of competing 14 hard rounds, where George had only gone five abbreviated rounds with Lyle in the previous 20 months. (Don't forget that one of the completed Foreman-Lyle rounds was just two minutes long.)

 

Foreman will tell you he was scared of Frazier ,its bollocks ,does he look scared ? He looks like a guy clocking in for his shift ,he is being gracious.
Same as he is, when he hypes up Norton.
If Joe makes it out of the early rounds ? But that's just it, he doesn't.
The best Frazier gets decapitated by George,and early.
Ali took George's shots in terrible humidity,Frazier could not take them,, no way is Frazier going to exhaust Foreman by being pounded on and coming back late, he would be dead first.
Stamina would never be a factor, because Frazier aint lasting long enough to make it one.
Frazier met ONE super puncher , and he bounced him like a ball.

Maybe you are confusing your ideal of Frazier, with the one who fought in Kingston?


Frazier does not have a prayer, he can't win a fight at long distance and he gets murdered inside, that is the reality of it ,face it.

 

Duodenum is right on the money....

 

when he had the timing of his glorry days frazier would have met foreman on the way in with sharp hooks, he would have landed first, no question. peak Fraziers hook was good at any range. Even long distance, for a short time he was so sharp.

In kingston, foreman was able to walk right up to joe then push him, something he would never have been able to do when joe was still sharp. Frazier would have clipped him before he reached him. If Ron lyle was slower and he caught george marching in, peak frazier would have too.

 

AHHHHH,, ,,,,,,,,,,,Joe Frazier was getting hit by upper-cuts from way outside.

That is something that usually happens to amateurs,,,,,not experienced professionals,
and it should have never, ever happened to Joe.

That tells you how easy it was to hit Joe.

 

Foreman would not have to go looking for Frazier because he allways came to you .
You overestimate Frazier's power,imo.He was usually a cumulative ko puncher,he wore you down.
He does not wear George down, because he would not be around long enough to do so.

Lyle?

Its entirely possible that Lyle might acheive the same result against Frazier that Foreman did.