Was Frazier mentally beat by Foreman?

Really, his most impressive first career display of stamina after Peralta II was when he stunned Jimmy Young early in round seven. His youth also allowed him to outlast Lyle, but Ron was older than Ali, on the brink of turning 35, while George had just turned 27. (He was also 14 years younger than Goyo. Peralta was 36 years old for their rematch, yet came within eight seconds of completing ten rounds with Foreman a second time.)

 

Those big bicep muscles eat up mass amounts of energy to keep them pumping.

On the other hand, Joe Frazier had a hard time with the 'military press' in
1973 The Battle of Superstars, just barely pressed 160 lbs.

 

Boxrec fraud, that's what you are.I'll not have the good name of Billy Aird sullied by fools taking two inches off him 35 years after the fact.

Totally unnaceptable.

 

No head games. Frazier was just pounded by a man with the right style 'n power ta do it.

 

Just been on the blower to old Billy he says he is around 6foot ,but he might have shrunk a bit with age.:good

 

This is a great point. Young Foreman had so much belief in his power he just went for it flat out knowing that he had a 99% chance of hurting the other guy before he was totaly done.

It takes balls to gamble in this way even if you are as strong as george. but at the time george was young, naive and deluded enough for it to keep working out for him. It was his plan A to Z.

There is a fine line between completly overwhelming the other guy and totaly shooting your bolt to the point of not being able to continue. george went very close to this fine line a lot of times but his power kept paying off for him.

The further george went on at the elite level he came closer to that fine line. There is a level where you cant keep geting away with it. When eventualy foreman got found out he had difficulty adapting so he retired.

 

Yes,Bob Foster did.The same Bob Foster who was unranked and unproven as a heavyweight,having lost anytime he did fight a decent heavyweight.

 

Bob was there for the green .
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

'Smokin Joe's' walk-around weight was close to 230 lbs.

Did he just not train hard for Foreman, or did he want to come a little heavier,
to absorb the heavy-blows better....??

His prime fighting weight was 205 lbs.

 

Interestingly, he looked in decent shape at 212lbs for Quarry II in '74, but he was flabby at 214lbs for Foreman in '73.

 

The best he ever looked, physique-wise, was versus George Chuvalo.

Something was going on there, before the Foreman bout.

 

It was one of those fights where the such an arduous battle took more out of the winner than the loser. I would say the same applies to Corrales-Castillo 1!

 

And, he should have fought Foreman the same way he fought Chuvalo. Staying low, countering, and side-stepping when he was being pressured. Then again, he was faster and in better shape, fought smarter with his hands higher and believed Chuvalo was a tough opponent. Frazier thought Foreman was just a big, strong ambitious kid that he could handle easily which was a huge mistake considering he didn't take into account of Foreman's gold medal winning performance itself.

 

Bob was there because he was an easy opponent with a name.Had Bob actually had a record of knocking out decent heavyweights,his name would never have even been brought up as a potential opponent.


It took the threat of his title being stripped before Frazier ever stepped into the ring with a legitimate heavyweight puncher.

 

Joes thinner waist in the earlier days, allowed him to bend, twist and roll, as
well as stay low.

Thicker, he was could not bend as much.
I don't think he ducked once in the 'Big George' fight.