Was Hector Camacho the best pure boxer of the last 40 years?

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  1. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    You're a comedian. Keep it up.
     
  2. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The truth hurts don't it?
     
  3. markedwardscott

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    Prefer Sugar Ray Leonard, Hearns, and Donald Curry
    Camacho was more just a speedster
     
  4. Robbi

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    Nope. No truth about Ray Leonard will ever hurt me. And I'm afraid you fail with the truth anyway.

    You have continually ducked my question about the comparison on your 'Leonard not being shot against Norris' with Camacho's showing against De La Hoya.

    You said Leonard wasn't shot against Norris as he moved effectively and had his legs under him, thus still being in his prime in your opinon. What about Camacho moving non stop for 12 rounds against De La Hoya and getting pounded from pillar to post in the process. Was Camacho still in his prime? Must have been. Old Hector's legs saved him that night.
     
  5. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    hector was 35 pounds above his prime weight-leonard only two pounds over his and he is a bigger man anyways. If you look at Hector's previous fight with Duran, anyone can see Hector fought flatfooted throughout and lost to Roberto while Leonard a decade before beat Duran convincingly and did it by sticking, moving, landing the combinations and scoring a shutout--vintage Ray Leonard so how could he be shot?

    Hector would have beat the pants off anyone in his prime including Pernell who could never hurt him or hope to outbox him. Chavez definitely ducked him preferring instead to face the Roger mayweathers and Juan Laporte's of the world, people with embarrasingly spotty records. And Leonard would have no hope against Hector whatsoever.

    DLH? Yes, with his determination, damaging power in both hands and fantastic hand speed, prime Oscar would defintiely make a fight of it but Oscar was not strictly a boxer. He could get hector in trouble but like the Rosario fight, would probably pull it out on the scorecards for a split decision.
     
  6. Sweet Pea

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    Hector's prime was at 112 pounds, that's what you're telling me?

    Hector's previous fight with Duran showed him outboxing a shot Duran, he didn't even lose the fight. Odd that you don't even know the facts of your hero.

    A faded Leonard beat a shot Duran in 89, and by 91 he was clearly shot, anyone with an IQ above around 45 who watched the fight and his lack of mobility would see this. Unfortunately, you don't qualify.
     
  7. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    no one has ever proven that Leonard was shot at all by 1991. All you are doing is claiming he was shot and that proves nothing to me.

    As for his lack of mobility, this is attributed to the fact he was in against a faster man (Ferdie Pacheco has said as much) which forced him into the role of the aggressor which we all know he does not do particularly well (as seen in the Hearns and Larry Bonds fight)

    Leonard was forced to stalk his man and take the fight to him and played right into Norris (faster) hands and was countered into defeat. Don't you know anything about boxing? I know your knowledge of 80's boxing is rather limited but you should know that when one speedster is forced to face a faster, quicker speedster, he will look very bad in losing a decision. Look at the past evidence: Hector Camacho v. Howard Davis, Hector Camacho v. Greg Coverson.

    And if you can count you'd know Hector's prime weight was 130. 165-130 = 35. Do the math.
     
  8. Sweet Pea

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    Robbi brought up his fight with De La Hoya, which took place at 147 pounds, not 165.
     
  9. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks for the schooling. :oops:
     
  10. Robbi

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    Chavez fought him and hammered him badly. Both were past their primes, so don't give me excuses. And they were both far from being shot.

    Whitaker's skill set, accomplishments, and ability levels surpass Camacho's. The man was a true ring magician.
     
  11. Robbi

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    Rooster doesn't even see how Leonard struggled with the weight against Norris. He hadn't made 154lbs for 7 years. He had fought at middleweight or above since the Howard fight. Hagler, Lalonde, Hearns II, and Duran III. Mind we are talking about a fighter who was 34 years when he fought Norris.

    But wait until you hear this. He continually said that Leonard ducked Hagler. But Leonard was willing to meet Hagler halfway between their weights. The fight could have came off at 154lbs, but Hagler was not willing to come down. And believe it or not Hagler weighed 157lbs for his first fight with Hamsho in late 1981. He only needed to drop another 3lbs.


    Dropping down extra 3lbs in your prime when you previously came in 3lbs under the limit.

    Middleweight limit: 160lbs

    Hagler's weight for the Hamsho fight: 157lbs

    The weight Leonard offered Hagler, but declined: 154lbs.


    3lbs. :yikes
     
  12. Robbi

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    Will we ever see his likes again?
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    That might be the gayest boxing pic i have ever seen.
     
  14. Robbi

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    The greatest pure boxer of the last 40 years? That man got more attention walking to the ring and during the introductions than he did when the bell rang.:D
     
  15. godking

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    he was'nt even the best pure boxer of his era.

    Pure boxing skills means that you can put up a good boxing performance without having a huge physical advantage like speed.