Was Hector Camacho the best pure boxer of the last 40 years?

Wasn't it leonard who made the fight with Norris and agreed to a 154 limit? So how could he struggle with the weight? First his fans go out and tell us how great it was for him to jump two weight classes in a division he had never competed at and win the title and then turn around to say he can't make his best weight no more. Besides, I never heard that excuse myself till now.

It doesn't make sense when someone challenges you at the weight, they have to know if they're capable of making weight right then and there. That's why I don't buy into this excuse either.

Leonard wasn't weakened by the weight and besides, he was already beaten early, not late like Hearns was. He was beaten early when he was at his strongest and already warmed up. The problem was that Terry smashed him to the head (whoever said that handpseed and physical advantages don't make the boxer was only kidding themsleves!)

With Hagler it was leonard's first attempt to diminish Marvin's astronomical capabilites by making him shed some pounds. When that didnt work out for him he waited for the competition to take at least 75% of the life from him just so he compete and last the distance. That's why he can't be fighter of the decade.

 

Chavez wasn't past his prime atsch This was a year before his big match with Pernell. he lost to Pernell becuz Sweet Pea had the better fight plan and preparation. This would naturally be the case belonging to the Lou Duva camp. A small part was the xrtra weight he put on and also that he couldn't handle a southpaw. Also a factor was that Julio had never beaten a class A fighter from the U.S. before. A win over Hector in the mid 80s would have silenced his critics.

 

Where'd you get those cool photos from?

 

I didnt say it wasn't possible to have problems making the weight but it's not likely because in his case because he knew what he was getting into including the weight he'd have to make. It just doesn't make any sense and never before have i seen a fighter who got to choose an opponent from a variety of weight classes, lose becuz he chose the wrong one.

Come on, we all know this is just another excuse to let Sugar Ray Leonard off the hook because in reality he couldn't really handle himself against a capable and live opponent.

Perhaps in the case of Norris, it might have been wise to get a smaller ring and larger gloves size. You know, so that he wouldn't have to spent so much time trying to corner him and the blows to his face wouldn't hurt so much.

As for Hagler's light weight I wonder why Leonard couldn't just put on one more pound to make the 154 which is the lower limit of middleweight. After all, Griffith and Robinson gave ten pounds and still pulled off a win. Doesn't Leonard have any confidence himself? If you're going to call yourself Sugar Ray you have to be willing to go all the way.

 

hector Camacho has been past his prime since 1989. I've always said that.

Whereas Chavez was just getting the recognition and heading towards his first prime time superfight. In that time Hector had already accomplished everything he wanted to do. It's just that Julio wasn't as advanced which is why someone like him would need an extra few years (like 6 or 7) for a drastic slowdown in both hand and footspeed.

That's what we call depreciation of physical assets and it's with fighters as well. Some fighters like Chavez and Leonard wait around for certain elite fighters they know they could never handle, to become what is known as junk. And it's good enough for Leonard fans too. They'll take a win over a name fighter no matter what.

 

You're not being honest at all because you intentionally leave out the part that Leonard is attempting to weaken hagler and cant take him at full strength. All Ray has to do is put on half a pound or so from the weight he made in '79 for Geraldo and we have a fight. But Leonard isn't in the same class as Robinson or even Griffith who gave up ten pounds to win at 160.

Cowardice is the problem here, not the problem of putting on one pound.

 

Tommy Hearns was the best pure boxer of the last 40 years. Actually, hes the best pure boxer of all time.

 

Of all time? That would be Roy Jones Jr.

 

I wouldn't consider Jones as a pure boxer. He releys on his speed/reflexes and is not text book. When i think of a pure boxer, i think more of the lines of Whitaker Hearns, Mayweather, Holmes, Judah, Camacho, Leonard Dawson ect.

 

Mark too sharp Johnson back when he was sharp.

 

Yep, him too.

 

What a team you guys are.