Was Hector Camacho the best pure boxer of the last 40 years?

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  1. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  2. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Brilliant. Well and truely ducked, again. My case that Norris wasn't a better pure boxer than Leonard and not better overall.

    Getting me nowhere? My facts are getting you nowhere as proven above.

    Norris getting whooped by a journeyman and never the same again. :lol:
     
  3. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your facts are irrelevent. My facts ARE relevent-Norris whipped Leonard at his own game-boxing. Why is leonarda a better boxer if he fell behind in the Hearns fight and lost every round to Norris?
     
  4. Robbi

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    The man was 34 years old, which must be taken into consideration. He wasn't in his prime years. He was coming to end of the road. And when matching him up against a younger and more hungry fighter, Norris, who himself went onto become a great fighter, it was too much to ask for a fighter who hadn't fought at the weight for 7 years.

    A very fair and balanced view, simple and effective.


    Norris IMO was the greatest 154lb who ever lived. Based on his longevity at the weight, his ability to rebound from defeats, and his skills.

    Hearns had a couple of bigger marquee fights against Benitez and Duran, but he only made around 6 defenses.

    McCallum and Hearns would have beaten Norris H2H, but in terms of looking at the whole picture, Norris gets my vote as the greatest jr middleweight who ever lived.
     
  5. brownpimp88

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    There's a difference between being a great athlete and possessing unreal boxing skills, and having a bad chin, i thought you would know this.
     
  6. Robbi

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    Usually fighters with great skills and athletisism who also possess a solid chin are better than fighters under the same umbrella who have weak chins, Terry Norris.

    A solid chin gives a fighter a better chance to gain a level consistency and not get whopped by a journeyman.

    And you said that Norris was a better pure boxer than Leonard. Yes, he showed he was when they fought, but that clearly wasn't a prime Leonard. Rewind back 10 years and you have a fighter who H2H was better than Norris and he beat better fighters. Benitez, Duran, and Hearns.

    You really are making a fool of yourself, again.
     
  7. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, your making a fool of yourself by suggesting that by beating certain fighters, it makes him a better pure boxer. Hearns gave him a boxing lesson, yeah he sure showed his superior boxing skill in that one.

    Leonard gets all the credit in the world for getting a split decision over a hagler that was clearly battleworn, yet gets no criticism for losing to terry norris by a landslide. Newsflash, Hagler was like 33-35 when they fought, there are sources out there that claim hes was actually born in 1952.
     
  8. Robbi

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    So Norris was a better pure boxer because he beat Leonard when he was past his prime? I'm looking at the broader picture, you're not.

    I'm looking at the full package, both their careers. Leonard was a better pure boxer than Norris. Disagree? Hopefully not or you will be making a fool of yourself.

    Was Trevor Berbick a better boxer than Ali? Was Keith Mullings a better boxer than Norris? Was Tarver a better boxer than Jones?
     
  9. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Robbi you seem to keep forgetting how far behind Leonard was to hearns on the scorecards. Tommy lost because Leonard punched him apart in the late rounds but before that he did very little and just kept walking into the jab. So skill-wise I fail to see how a 1981 Ray Leonard is "h2h better than Norris"

    Can you prove this? The only proof i see is Terry beating up Ray in real life. Things like this happen in boxing (though not very often) and what happens is that people can't bring themselves to admit they were wrong all this time about their favorite fighter so they say things like "he had an off night" or "he was past it". how far Ray was past it is anyone's guess. IMO this is a claim his supporters use to cover up for his embarrassing loss.

    From what I could see there were no signs of fading from his last fight and besides, he's always looked the same to me. He's ALWAYS struggled with his opponents-even with Marcos Geraldo, a feather fisted slapper who visibly hurt him. Terry would have toyed with Ray if that had been him in the ring with leonard instead of Geraldo and he would have handed him his first loss before he got to Benitez.
     
  10. Robbi

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    Hagler got spanked by Leonard. The man was clueless. He came out fighting in the orthdodox stance and gave away the first 4 rounds. He couldn't put punches together. He lacked speed. He was made to miss often. Leonard showed better ring generalship, more variety with his offense, he also made Hagler look like a fool.

    Hagler lost to a fighter who had one fight in 5 years and was a massive underdog. The man was said to have been "a lamb to the slaughter" in the press.

    Yeah, Hagler was clearly battleworn in hindsight. But before the first bell rang Hagler was rated the best fighter in the word and it was common knowledge at the time he'd deal with Leonard.


    Leonard beat Hagler. The man got tired late as Hagler came on strong as expected, but he whopped the man. Split decision or not, the right man had his hand raised.


    ANNNNNNNNNNNNNND THE NEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWW!
     
  11. Robbi

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    Norris wouldn't have seen 6 rounds with Hearns that night. Yes, I know that Leonard was behind, but who won the fight? It wasn't even a decision, a stoppage.
    Like you do with Hagler when he lost to Leonard. What happened to Norris at only 30 years old when he was stopped by Mullings, who as I have said about 5 times in previous posts was a journeyman. It's a fact Leonard was past his best. Punch resistance gone, handspeed not what it was either, and he hadn't made the weight for 7 years. Signs of a fighter past it. The man was 34 years old.

    PAST HIS PRIME
     
  12. Robbi

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    You saying I'm a Leonard fan?
     
  13. Robbi

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    Norris was disqualified three times, KO'd four times, and two of those were in his prime.

    DAMAGING.

    Mullings sure went in for the kill on a brilliant Norris, who was ready for a mega fight with De La Hoya. But journeyman Mullings put an end to Norris' dreams.

    30 years old and never same the same again.

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  14. RafaelGonzal

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    they used to be called cuties back in the day guys who could fight were tricky could beat you and were not fast or that strong or had a thunderous punch or reflexes but were very crafty Greg Haughen comes to mind
     
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    top 5 ATG avatars.