Was Holyfield hitting harder than Tyson in 96?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    That's right Stevie.
    He definitely had the greater power, hed just lost a fair bit of what made him so good years back.
    That power never really left him for me.
     
  2. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Prime Tysons shots were freakish. The speed and power were not seen in an heavyweight like that.
    And Tysons build, I mean crazy, a guy like that knocking over fellas like tenpins.
     
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  3. Stiches Yarn

    Stiches Yarn Active Member Full Member

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    I think we should disabuse the notion that a fighter somehow can increase his punching power during his boxing career.
    I see it all the time with Muhammad Ali who apparently was a harder puncher in the second half of his career!
     
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  4. Wass85

    Wass85 Active Member banned Full Member

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  5. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You think a Flyweight Pacquiao would stop Cotto?
     
  6. CharlieFirpo85

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    I guess the main factor is that Tyson walked right into the punches, because Evander had the superior timing. Holyfield absorbed much more energy due to his footwork and also managed to use Tysons forward moementum in his favor. His distance control, his in and out style was just perfect.

    On the other hand Tyson lost something during jail time. Lost his rhythem, his ballance, routine, speed and explosiveness as well. I heard he lost some amount of his muscles and needed to reshape his body. Maybe this muscles weren't really functional but just for the look... just for the posters. Even post Rooney Tyson had the ability of closing the distance, avoiding the shots and unleash some bombs in just one sequence. He lost that asset almost completely.
     
  7. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    I’ll just say that I recall that Holy dropped Bowe with a titanic left hook in their rubber match - that was a surprise to me since in all the previous rounds they fought it seemed Holy wasn’t capable of pulling that off

    Bowes take on the punch was interesting. He said Evander’s lead up shots didn’t have a lot on them - but then Holy put everything into the left hook - the power of which took Riddick by surprise and dumped him on his a** as we all saw.
     
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  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I highly doubt it.
     
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  9. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good post, and I agree.
     
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  10. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I completely disagree that Holyfield hit harder than Tyson at this stage.

    I remember watching the fight years after and being struck by how much more explosive Tyson's punches were. To the extent I recall thinking "how does Holyfield win this when Tyson is clearly throwing harder, faster punches".

    It wasnt Tyson's 1 punch power that had slipped. He was no longer throwing fluid combinations, whilst constantly moving his feet and head to slip counters, change the angle of attack and open his opponent up.

    The erosion of these qualities, allied to the advantages in stamina and durability that Holyfield had always had, was enough to offset Tysons power advantage.
     
  11. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Like said, Tyson slipping n Holyfield placing his punches better cause this deception. I dont think any Holyfield hits harder but Holyfield definitely had more in the tank for another two years. Overall just more disciplined in his ring IQ n outside life than Tyson at the time.
     
  12. Wass85

    Wass85 Active Member banned Full Member

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    It's not all about Tyson walking in to the shots, even Holyfield's body shots had more of a thud to them. I don't think it's a stretch to say at that point Holyfield may have hit harder.
     
  13. Glass City Cobra

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    Holyfield would have had more KO's if this was the case. I just can't see John Ruiz or Christ Byrd going the distance with Hoylfield taking flush shots if he hit even harder than Tyson.
     
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  14. Wass85

    Wass85 Active Member banned Full Member

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    Fair point but a lot of Tyson's opponents fell over because they were scared to death from being in the ring with him, Bruce Seldon is a fine example.
     
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  15. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes but guys like Mathis, Botha, etc wern't scared of Tyson and he flattened them with one punch. Tyson clearly hit harder than Holyfield with one punch even in the late 90s, Holyfield never had any early stoppages against any known Heavyweight, apart from a grossly out of shape Buster Douglas.

    What Holyfield did have was impeccable timing, and that was evident with the counter right hand in the 10th round. Where he sent Tyson staggering across the ring.
     
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