Was Holyfield hitting harder than Tyson in 96?

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  1. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster I check this every now and then Full Member

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    Tyson was probably on anabolics at 16 as well brother, in China they have you dope from 11 when you're scouted for their Olympic weightlifting team. Cus would do anything to win and this is world class athletics.
     
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  2. Terror

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    Yeah, wrote a whole post on this but I thought "redpilling" about child doping to be a little grotesque. But yeah, a 12 year old repping 225 (for 12+ reps!) on bench has Little Hercules vibes.
     
  3. Entaowed

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    No that is not a rational nor fair conclusion.

    A) What they do in a communist nation that makes systematic development of top international competitors has nothing whatsoever to do with what our nation does-& even less with what private individuals do.

    B) Cus was an old-fashioned trainer.
    There is no evidence he even believed that PEDs were good for boxing, let alone necessary.

    C) When we have sooo much other info from & about Tyson out there, we have no decent evidence that he ever even dabbled in anabolics.

    D) We also proved how Tyson was big & strong when poor, in his early teens, before boxing, & with no means nor motivation to get any steroidal substances.

    Anyone could have used.
    To assume they did absent any evidence or decent logic is very unfair.
     
  4. Entaowed

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    Also-I do not know if that exact age or number is correct, but some small % of folks are naturally very strong.
    Especially if he reached puberty early-& if he even did things like push ups that work the same muscle groups, with his genes, it IS possible.

    I read a story about Shaquille O'Neil.
    Early in his B-Ball career he struggled with 135 lbs.
    Now even if they meant for a whole set, that is still surprisingly little for even an untrained young man-who weighed at least near 300 lbs. (admittedly at 7'1") when he entered the league.

    However the next sentence said that within 3 weeks he was benching 380!
    That is at least a little more than the average all-natural man can achieve with good form...without any gear, chemical nor belts/wraps nor super-tight, rebounding the weight "bench shirts"...

    Can achieve in a LIFETIME.
    Does that mean Shaq was on the juice?
    NO.
    With his size including massive bone structure, his potential strength was far above the average Mortal Man.
    Like Tyson, a genetic freak-in a good way.
     
  5. young griffo

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    So he only took performance debilitating drugs lol

    As if he wouldn’t have took peds to allow him to train half arsed and indulge in weeds and coke and booze and still appear ripped come fight night. I’d say he stopped taking peds after he retired whilst maintaining the weed, cocaine and booze and we saw what happened then. He ballooned out to fat slobbish proportions as seen in the Hangover movie.

    This faith in Tysons purity as an athlete is so touching lol
     
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  6. BoB Box

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    So let me try to understand your logic..Tyson has his moment of clarity after being hospitalized into a program and comes clean admitting that he was often molested as a young boy , admits to being a depraved sex addict who enjoyed violating women every which way, admits to being a raging alcoholic, admits to being a cocaine addict and chronic weed smoker but leaves out that he used a peds?
    That doesent make any sense..Tyson never confessed to using anabolic steroids because he never did, he didnt have to.
     
  7. Terror

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    It makes a lot of sense that he would leave out using PEDs in admissions considering how "on PEDs" he appeared during his time in the ring, even perhaps as a late teen competing against other teenagers. Many liars will tell a few truths that are adjacent to an admission, but then deny the one thing they really don't want you to know. "Yes, I've done xyz, those things are much worse than things ab and c! So I could have never done ab or c" That way it has more credibility. That's basically been his strategy. He condemns steroid use, but admits he uses his kid's pee to pass drug tests. And because of his myth, he has internet warriors composing scriptures dedicated to the purity of his hormonal composition in the late 1980s. Rose colored glasses isn't even the term, I don't have one for it.
     
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  8. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He still denies being a ****** too even though he was convicted of that by a court of law.
    I think a lot of that is self aggrandisement to be honest. “I took x,y,z drugs booze and pills, my private life was a train wreck and I still achieved all that despite myself.” If he admits to taking peds to alleviate those excesses then his myth of being a so called genetic freak and freak natural talent is in tatters.
    Pretty obvious why he omits that from his own narrative I’d have thought.
     
  9. BoB Box

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    If what your saying is true then how did tyson get so jacked when he was in prison. Look at his first work out immediately after he was released tyson is bigger then when he went in. And his cheating on test was for cocaine and weed which he admitted. Anyway Check the link then explain that.
     
  10. young griffo

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    So prisoners can’t get hold of drugs (including peds) in prison now? Especially mega rich, high profile ones backed by a filthy mega rich person with a heavily vested interest like Don King? Gtfoh!!!

    He was jacked because he was using peds.
     
  11. BoB Box

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    So your logic is Tyson was on steroids before prison and also while in prison but only got jacked while he was using steroids in prison? Lol! Do you hear yourself?
    You know inmates can be tested aswell but according to your logic the whole prison system conspired to make sure Tyson was on peds? Lol!
    I know theres alot of Tyson haters but you have Tyson Deranged Syndrome! LOL!
    Conversation is over.
     
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  12. young griffo

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    And Tyson avoided the drugs that could actually help his career that was rife in the sport, went to the lengths to fake a urine sample for a mandatory drug test because he was worried about testing positive to weed or coke which carried a slap on the wrist compared to the penalties that steroids or HGH carried and remained ripped despite being incarcerated for 3 years and eating shithouse prison slop and with minimal exercise because of great gEnEtIcS!

    You’re just another pathetic Tyson fanboy who sleeps under a big poster of Tinkerbell above his bed and still rocks himself to sleep at night repeating over and over “Douglas got a long count, Tyson really won…”

    You’re dismissed.
     
  13. BoB Box

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    You dont have to eat mess hall food in prison you can buy commissary.
    Anyway it looks like your brain stopped developing when you were 10yrs old , I havent heard that much name calling since elementary. Lol!
     
  14. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    im sorry that you truly believe that tyson wasnt using anabolics during the largest anabolic abusing era with absolutely fraudulent testing. noone at the world class level has ever not used peds. it is delusional to think otherwise. even modern drug testing, which is far, far superior to the 90s, is skirted around constantly.
     
  15. AngryBirds

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    No, but its not a black and white answer.

    Holyfield was physically stronger than Tyson when it came to pushing/pulling strength, but he did not strike harder than him. Their records in the 90's speak for themselves given Holyfield failed to quickly dispose of the same guys who Tyson did with ease. Its a bit comparable to Foreman and Shavers. Foreman is overall the stronger guy and could easily push Shavers around in the ring, but Shavers was the one who could strike harder despite that.

    Either way I would not want to get hit by either of them, roided up or not.
     
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