Was Holyfield robbed in his rematch with Lennox Lewis?

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  1. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought Lewis was busier in the 2nd fight but not necessarily more effective.Holyfield won that one in my view
     
  2. Mendoza

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    So you're saying Holyfield landed the harder and cleaner shots? Holy had a rally in the middle, but lost the opening and closing rounds.

    Score cards, all in favor of Lewis:

    115–113
    116–112
    117–111

    I think the first two cards are the best ones.
     
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  3. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Correct, even prime vs prime he got big problems with Lemmie, the jab alone would give him major problems and it did in the actual fight plus he does not have fight ending power. He was lucky Bowe slugged with him to make it competitive , if Bowe would have made it a outside fight it would not even be close. I am convinced without the fan man and Bowes collapsing wife he looses the second one too.

    Anyway, Holyfield never got robbed, he just comes short against talented Big man with a jab.
     
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  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    By rounds I don’t think either fight was that decisive. And there were no 10-8 rounds. This rivalry was supposed to decide who the best in the world was. And it just didn’t.

    For me, the two fights did not resolve who was the better man because Lewis would simply take too many rounds off. In both fights.

    First time, although Lewis looked better in the rounds he won, there were enough rounds that could have went either way that if Evander was scored half of them it would be a draw. You can only give it to Lewis by rounds, if all the quiet rounds went to him.

    The second one I had Holyfield up by one round. And one round isn’t enough to boast about.
     
  5. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They would be good scores for the first fight.
     
  6. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lewis/Holyfield II was a comfortable 116-112 to Lewis.

    A lazier Lewis - than that of their first contest - threw significantly less, landed significantly less and delivered a lower strike rate - and still outdid an improved Holyfield; additional testament to how bent the scoring was in Lewis/Holyfield I.
     
  7. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    This.

    Originally I gave Evander 2 rounds.

    On rewatching, and with some generosity, I gave him 3.

    If not for the fact that the judges didn't give Lennox an L, it would be the biggest robbery of the past quarter century.

    As it stands, that distinction belongs to Pac-Bradley (1).




    As to the rematch, I scored it 8-4 for Lennox.

    Evander did better than the first time, but he still clearly lost.
     
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  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Evander did not lose 10 rounds!
    I will have to watch it again. All these years later, I’m pretty certain there was an equal number of clear rounds for each champ and a lot of indecisive rounds that could have went either way.

    Of his strongly won rounds Lewis certainly looked much more dominant than Holyfield did on his..but they were not 10-8 rounds so as I saw it lennox did not eclipse Evander by rounds that were easy to score.

    The number of rounds that were closed, slow rounds that could have went either way equaled the number of rounds that were easy to score. these were not so much rounds anybody really won.

    Lewis could have pressed more. And he didn’t. He did a lot of coasting.
     
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  9. FrankinDallas

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    No. A draw was a reasonable score. The first fight was the travestry; Lewis clearly beat Holyfield in that one.
     
  10. choklab

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  12. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    I hope you're mistakingly thinking of the second fight.

    If you're thinking of the first, then you should log off and never post anything boxing-related ever again.
     
  13. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought Lewis won the first one by a score of 116-113. In the 2nd fight, the judges obviously wanted to make up for what happened in the first one.
     
  14. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The first fight was BS.

    The second fight was scored wider than it actually was (on two scorecards anyway) to right that wrong in my view. In saying that Lewis won 7-5 still although Evander fought much better than previously and probably landed the heavier single shots.

    Also it was a better fight than the first. That fight was actually dull minus the significance and controversy.
     
  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I just rewatched the first fight again. This time I had it 4-6-2 Lewis this time. Or 117-115.

    At the time I know I had it a draw, and still think it reasonable. Far too many close rounds Lewis gave ground to Holyfield. He sat back too much. And this was to decide the best heavyweight.