Was Hopkins loss a KO or a TKO?

I agree about the scorecards being lopsided in favor of B Hop. Most people didn't have B Hop winning more than 1 round. Those two cards were suspect, but I don't see how this has anything to do with Canelo GGG or Canelo Floyd's 114-114.

I know you're gonna disagree vehemently, but I thought Floyd Canelo 114-114 was a very reasonable score. (certainly much more reasonable than having B Hop up by 1 on Joe Smith after 7 rounds lol)

Canelo didn't do much on Floyd offensively, but Floyd didn't land much on Canelo either. A lot of those rounds Floyd and Canelo looked like mirror images of each other. Both guys in that fight had low punch output, and I sincerely thought Canelo Floyd could have seen as been a draw due to the way it was fought. If anything, Floyd had those judges in his backpocket being the bigger name and fighting in his hometown.

Now I don't know how involved ODLH was in this fight's scoring, but with Hopkins being the bigger name, and Smith being a relative unknown, though I certainly didn't think this was a 1 point margin, I could see that some judges may have given Hopkins rounds just based of body language alone, seeing Joe Smith's cut, seeing B Hop land an occasional overhand right, and not seeing Joe Smith really landing anything earth shattering on Hopkins over the first 7.

I'm not saying I thought that Hopkins won 3 or 4 rounds vs Smith, I'm just saying those scores aren't proof that it's some vast conspiracy orchestrated by ODLH. Like I thought the official judges had Canelo vs Khan about right. Many people thought Khan won every round before the stoppage, but I thought Khan won 2 or 3 rounds, and Canelo may have won 2 or 3 rounds with quality punching.

Back to the topic of the thread, but if you'd like to address my comments above, I'd be glad to discuss it further.

 

I agree I thought it was a knockout, but my question to you is why was it announced as a TKO, why was it reported widely as a TKO, and in the boxing rules are those ringside allowed to assist a fighter to his feet.

I agree that the correct decison is a KO, but the fact that Hopkins was helped up to his feet indicates that it could (possibly) be seen as either a TKO or a DQ.

 

I'd lean more towards the judges possibly were influenced by B Hops longevity rather than them being paid off by the judges. But I'm not totally dismissing your instincts either. I would just say that I'm someone who rates Canelo very highly and had him winning the Lara fight (though it was very close and I respect those that thought Lara won). I also thought Khan was probably up something like 3 rounds to 2 (or possibly 4-1) after 5 rounds on Canelo. (not 5-0 Khan like some had it)

So I disagree with you basically saying that Canelo didn't really win the Lara fight, that ODLH just paid off the judges. I think that's not fair to Canelo to basically discredit his win like that, as I much preferred his quality punching to Lara's activity throughout the fight.

 

I think you're right, but since the referee didn't stop the count, it's still a full on KO. After all, the referee's decision is final. It's possible the ref didn't see B Hop get helped up or he didn't care, and still chose to count to 20 and see if Hops could get back into the ring.

What I'm wondering, and maybe someone knows, is by rule if you are helped up by someone outside the ring, would it be a TKO or a DQ. That's what I'd like to know, because Lampley seemed to think Hopkins should have been DQ'd. All things considered, I think a straight KO is the right decision, mainly because the referee didn't stop the count and counted all the way up to 20. That's whats listed on boxrec, however I agree with you Robney that since he was helped up it could have been either a TKO or a DQ.

I wonder if the guy who helped B Hops up ever did an interview about it or was asked why he helped Hopkins up. He was already warned by the guy in the blue shirt not to touch Hopkins but then still helped him up anyway. I think he should have to explain his actions of why he disobeyed the rules and helped Hopkins up. He seemed to be saying something as if to justify his action of helping Hopkins up, but I can't think of any reason why he would help Hopkins up. If he was worried about Hopkins injuring his head, if he thought B Hop was seriously injured then it would have been safer to just let Hopkins lay there. My best guess is he believed Bernard Hopkins who was presumably saying to him "he pushed me out” and thought in that case helping him would have been allowed. All in all a bizarre situation, but I’d really like to hear from that guy who helped B Hops up to get his reasoning. I applaud the referee Jack Reiss for continuing the 20 count, so it goes into the record book as a straight KO even though he was helped up. A different referee may have decided to rule it a DQ or worse ruled that he was pushed and ruled it a No Contest or something and we’d have another Hopkins Dawson 1 and B Hops would still claim he never got KO’d lol.