Was Hopkins/Pavlik REALLY a technical masterpiece?

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  1. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    when i say pavlik was in it.. he was comfortable & trying to fight his figt.... after the 3rd or 4th round he was completely lost and out of rhythm
     
  2. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Where do you have this guy on your P4P list?
     
  3. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Hopkins' rated this as his best performance. "Better than Tarver, better than Trinidad, better than Oscar, better than my defences."
     
  4. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I preferred the fight when it was called Herol Graham vs Mark Kaylor myself.
     
  5. Mr. HU

    Mr. HU KP vs BHop anniversary Full Member

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    Lookin at that clip of the fight shows me that if Bernard had really fast hands he would have KO'd Pavlik inside 5 and Hopkins has OK power! Bhop is known for his craftyness not speed or power, everything he displayed in this fight amazed everyone!!!

    The problem with KP is that he is very slow and his punches are very 90% of his punches are predictable!!!
     
  6. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It wasn't a masterpiece because Pavlik was technically abysmal that night and had no answer. Physically, he lacked speed, strength and footwork. Mentally, he had the fight punched out of him by the 4th round and didn't look prepared for a tough fight.

    For it to be a masterpiece, it'd have to be against a good calibre of opponent. Lacy was better than Pavlik and even though the fights were similar, Calzaghe put on more of a masterpiece. This is more like Mayweather/Baldomir or Calzaghe/Jones than a true masterful performance.
     
  7. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  8. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :nono
    Pavlik was number 1 MW, and had been in the ring with way better opposition than Jeff Lacy. Jeff Lacy's best opponent to date is Jermain Taylor to whom he lost, and his greatest victory was over a 35 Year old Robin Reid.

    Kelly Pavlik had wins over Miranda and Taylor twice, despite being a against odds against Taylor 1.

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  9. El Borracho

    El Borracho Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was a blowout, because for whatever the reason, pavlik repeatedly failed to pull the trigger
     
  10. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    I agree. How do you think Calderon would fair against Pavlik?
     
  11. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lacy didn't have a great resume but he was formidable at 168lbs, something Pavlik wasn't and probably never will be. Look how bad he looked at 166. To go higher up in weight was bizarre and people shouldn't have favoured him.
     
  12. Mr. HU

    Mr. HU KP vs BHop anniversary Full Member

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    hopkins pitched a fu**ing no hitter!!!!!!!
     
  13. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pavlik fought above 160 16 times. Pavlik is a big Middleweight and has enough capacity to move up. Dont get me wrong Calzaghe vs Lacy was a masterpiece, definitely one of the best last decade, and I understand people rating it higher than Hopkins vs Pavlik, since Calzaghe did beat a natural SMW in style. But Pavlik being considered way too small for Hopkins is plausible.

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  14. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't necessarily agree with you but I can see what you're trying to say. I think Pavlik was out of it for all intents and purposes after round 3.
     
  15. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tend to agree.

    hop beat him to the punch and bizarrely...outworked him. Lots of fighters could have beat Pavlik that night at 170lbs...