Was Ingo Saved By A Long Count v Snoek?

Wim Snoek, the brave Dutch heavyweight who also ran a popular bar in Amsterdam, shocked the Stockholm crowd by knocking down former World heavyweight champion Ingemar Johansson with a left hook in the first round. Johansson was groggy as he rose, that's not in dispute, but many felt the count was a very long one. Snoek rushed in with more hooks, but Johansson was now dancing away reducing the effect of Snoek's punches. Johansson had a small cut on his forehead as he sat down for the rest after the first round.

When Johansson got out to round 2, he looked completely recovered. With ease he blocked Snoek's predictable blows. Then in the 5th the famed right hand from Ingo dropped Snoek, and the Dutchman failed to beat the count.

The always talkative Snoek as usual brought his case to the press: The count over Johansson was a long one, he maintained. " Had I been permitted to box on, I'm sure I could have finished him off, " he told reporters. ( Boxing News, April 20, 1962 ).
Ingo was heavily floored by Snoek, a middle and light heavy for 65 of his 82 fights
Anyone seen the fight ?
Was it a case of "home cooking?"
Was it a legit count?

 

Thanks for your reply.

 

Cheers for that Matt!

 

The referee, Bengt Lowendahl refereed a career total of 3 fights,he hadnt officiated as third man for 4 years, and never did so again!! His refereeing activities for his 3 fights were in 1951,1958,and 1962 ,the Johansson fight.
Something smells here!

[url]1962-04-15[/url] [url]Ingemar Johansson[/url]
W
[url]Wim Snoek[/url]
[url]Kungliga Tennishallen[/url], [url]Stockholm[/url], [url]Sweden[/url]
[url]event[/url][url]1958-07-13[/url] [url]Toerner Ahsman[/url]
W
[url]Ossi Buettner[/url]
[url]Nya Ullevi[/url], [url]Gothenburg[/url], [url]Sweden[/url]
[url]event[/url][url]1951-11-09[/url] [url]Gunnar Nilsson[/url]
W
[url]Jacques Lebegue[/url]
[url]Masshallen[/url], [url]Gothenburg[/url], [url]Sweden[/url]

 

The mandatory 8 count was first introduced in 1953 in NYC but it was waved for title fights. When Marciano was knocked down by Archie Moore he got up and started towards the ropes expecting an 8 count, which the referee initially began,both the ref and Marciano had forgotten that the count was waved for world title fights.
The rule had been in place 9 years when Johansson fought Snoek the difference being that it was now applied to ALL fights not just those that were NOT world championship contests .
"In 1953, the [url]New York State Athletic Commission[/url] introduced the first mandatory eight count for all matches except championship matches. The move was done to protect boxers from unnecessary damage.Ten years later, the mandatory eight count was adopted for all matches in a regulation passed by the [url]New York State Legislature[/url]. The mandatory eight count was first used in 1961 in a title fight for the bout between [url]Floyd Patterson[/url] and [url]Ingemar Johansson[/url] in Florida. Reaction to the new rule from the fighters was positive with Johansson saying "It was good that he had the eight-count" and Patterson said "The eight-count helped me, those extra few seconds gave my head a chance to clear."


JESUS!

 

You got the date wrong about when the mandatory count came in by 10years!
Three posters have asked questions about the fight ,a fight the circumstances of which I was totally unaware of until tonight. I have no agenda against Ingo whatsoever. How is a referee doing a bad job smearing one of the boxers? You're being illogical.
You lost the debate and now you are mugging yourself again.
I thought you weren't going to reply to me? Well you have, and once again you're wrong ,dead wrong.
Better put some ointment on that sore butt.lol

 

You completely discount this then?
Wim Snoek, the brave Dutch heavyweight who also ran a popular bar in Amsterdam, shocked the Stockholm crowd by knocking down former World heavyweight champion Ingemar Johansson with a left hook in the first round. Johansson was groggy as he rose, that's not in dispute, but many felt the count was a very long one. Snoek rushed in with more hooks, but Johansson was now dancing away reducing the effect of Snoek's punches. Johansson had a small cut on his forehead as he sat down for the rest after the first round.

When Johansson got out to round 2, he looked completely recovered. With ease he blocked Snoek's predictable blows. Then in the 5th the famed right hand from Ingo dropped Snoek, and the Dutchman failed to beat the count.

The always talkative Snoek as usual brought his case to the press: The count over Johansson was a long one, he maintained. " Had I been permitted to box on, I'm sure I could have finished him off, " he told reporters. ( Boxing News, April 20, 1962 ).


Is a count of say 8 seconds, longer than one of 17seconds?
Simple question requiring a simple answer of Yes or No?
Another simple question, requiring another simple answer.
. If a referee, for whatever reason gave a count of 8 that lasted 17 seconds for a boxer would that boxer have benefited from an unfair advantage over his opponent who had knocked him down?
Yes or No?

 

Your'e done with me? GOOD ! That's twice now ,do you think you can make it stick this time or will there be more faux righteous indignation ? LOL
I'm not seeking you out, it's you stalking me sunshine.

I'm smearing Johansson? Why?
Because I picked Williams to beat him?
So did 5 other posters!
Or is it because I picked Quarry to beat him?
So did 8 other posters!
Are they all smearing him too ?
Or is it only me? LOL

Why don't you do something useful for a change and post the report of the fight you say you have in your copy of B I?

 

Bumping this in the hope Janitor sees it.