Was Ingo Saved By A Long Count v Snoek?

Unforgiven · Jan 7, 2022

If the fight wasn't filmed, we can't really say one way or the other.
If it was filmed, we can form an informed opinion. Otherwise it is just pointless to dissect it too deeply.

Tonto62 · Jan 8, 2022

Unforgiven said: ↑

If the fight wasn't filmed, we can't really say one way or the other.
If it was filmed, we can form an informed opinion. Otherwise it is just pointless to dissect it too deeply.
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You think the quest for information on,a/the fight is pointless? Up until 3 days ago I was totally unaware Ingo was floored in this fight,now having read the report my curiosity has been aroused and I am intrigued to find out the circumstances of the incident.
I've had one poster accuse me trying to smear Ingo ,stating that he has the full report in a Boxing Illustrated article along with photos.Since being asked to provide the proof he has dissappeared,hopefully for good. I've had another poster stating there is no such thing as a "long count".All because I asked posters for information on a fight!

Tonto62 · Jan 8, 2022

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Marciano ,walked to a corner under the mistaken impression he was entitled to a standing count.He stated this himself was he lying? The referee Harry Kessler mistakenly began a count quickly realised it did not apply in championship contests and stopped.
" Marciano is bulling his way in,what else does he ever do?
When Moore seems to magnetize his jaw into just the right position and sinks his right into it.
AND MARCIANO IS DOWN
He's hurt and dazed and for a strange second at the count of four,he seems to forget that he's in a fight.
Moore triggers another right to the jaw.I've never seen Marciano look in worse trouble.
Moore jabs his man at will and blood comes from Rocky's nose,and Marciano curls his tongue at it.
Marciano clubs clumsily to the body and gets hit and hurt by a right uppercut.
He has lost the round by the length of Broadway.
And now you see why Rocky is such a great champion.
He had been hurt and dropped and continuously confounded,and it might be that they had told him in the corner to watch his step. But instead he went out like an ice-breaker, ploughing its way through Polar floes." Peter Wilson ringside for the Marciano v Moore fight. 48 hours later Wilson interviewed Marciano on the radio for the programme,"Sports Report".
"You may remember that I wrote that when he was knocked down,for a strange second,as he gets up and the count of four,he seems to forget he is in a fight"Wilson.
"I asked Marciano about this, for he seemed to almost walk over to the ropes as if he could have a breather.He said,"Aah but you have forgotten that in America there is a compulsory count of eight and even if you get up the referee still continues the count up to eight before letting the count continue."Marciano.
"I said;" "Yes I know all about that,but you don't have that in world championship fights."Wilson.
" Marciano said.No you don't understand.We have the compulsory count...'
And then he paused and he said." Gosh,of course you're right,it doesn't work in world championship fights." Chapter 4. "More Ringside Seats."Peter Wilson.
I've proved
1.Marciano got up and headed towards the ropes thinking he was entitled to a standing 8 count.
I've also proved the referee began a count.
Now it would be nice if you could find it within yourself to admit you were WRONG

But! I do not hold out much hope of that!!!!

ps I do not think the referee Harry Kessler acted in bad faith,I believe he just made human error.Kessler was a milionaire wealthier than Marciano and Moore combined, he just got it wrong for a nano second .I don't think it made any difference to the outcome of the fight.
Though Moore was convinced till the day he died that he had been the victim of a great injustice,that Kessler, by stepping briefly between them when Rocky arose,had taken away his chance to drop Marciano for the full count.
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I see there is no reply to this from Choklab, no surprise there!!

LoadedGlove · Jan 8, 2022

Tonto62 said: ↑

Wim Snoek, the brave Dutch heavyweight who also ran a popular bar in Amsterdam, shocked the Stockholm crowd by knocking down former World heavyweight champion Ingemar Johansson with a left hook in the first round. Johansson was groggy as he rose, that's not in dispute, but many felt the count was a very long one. Snoek rushed in with more hooks, but Johansson was now dancing away reducing the effect of Snoek's punches. Johansson had a small cut on his forehead as he sat down for the rest after the first round.

When Johansson got out to round 2, he looked completely recovered. With ease he blocked Snoek's predictable blows. Then in the 5th the famed right hand from Ingo dropped Snoek, and the Dutchman failed to beat the count.

The always talkative Snoek as usual brought his case to the press: The count over Johansson was a long one, he maintained. " Had I been permitted to box on, I'm sure I could have finished him off, " he told reporters. ( Boxing News, April 20, 1962 ).
Ingo was heavily floored by Snoek, a middle and light heavy for 65 of his 82 fights
Anyone seen the fight ?
Was it a case of "home cooking?"
Was it a legit count?
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Never heard that. Fascinating post.

Tonto62 · Jan 9, 2022

LoadedGlove said: ↑

Never heard that. Fascinating post.
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I was hoping one of our Euro posters might be able to provide additional info.

LoadedGlove · Jan 9, 2022

Tonto62 said: ↑

I was hoping one of our Euro posters might be able to provide additional info.
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Sorry Tonto. I know Brian London was highly aggrieved at Ingo being saved by the bell when Brian decked him in Johansson's last fight.
Henry Cooper fought Ingo outdoors and said the sun was in his eyes. The late Reg Gutteridge had some fences to mend with Henry when he asked, "Mrs. Johansson's Son ? ".

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