Was Iran Barkley an A level fighter?

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  1. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Barkley was B lvl at best. He beat some formerly great fighters, and created some "upsets", though the background was somewhat painted.

    However, Toney should not acclaim appraisal for the win, if Barkley had already been blasted in one round - that immensely silly. If he should, then Benn should acclaim even more, for doing it before Toney and more convincingly. Benn>Toney?
     
  2. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Well, I'd argue that Kessler is superior to Michael Nunn all the way around and backwards through the tunnel and barn, while setting the house on fire and rolling around in the grass with the farmers daughter.

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    is relevant, because when it is discussed, there is no mention of Barkley. When Toney's is discussed, there is always a mention of Barkley.

    Why is this? I'd say Benn's win is more impressive, considering he dealt with a shaky chinned, B- level fighter like a top class P4P hitter would, wouldn't you say?

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    them correctly and put certain fighters on pedastool's while totally lacking the ability to analyse many important factors.
     
  3. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    No he definitely wasn't A level. Good post BTW, I like the part that emphasised the importance of analyzing resume correctly. I think this is the biggest factor, in deciding the ability of a fighter. Not just looking at the resume, but how they beat the opponents, and what stage of their career they were in at the time of the fight. Barkly looked VERY sloppy against Toney IMO, and was dominated.
     
  4. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It isn't relevant because you were not discussing it with ME. So you don't know if I would have mentioned it or not.

    You can assess Kessler that way all you like. Nunn would have beaten Kessler.
     
  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Precisely, and Benn blew out Barkley in 1 round mind you, but this is rarely mentioned as a signature win, but always is for James Toney.:D

    Resume's need to include how the bouts were contested and losses as well, this is why I don't rate Jermain Taylor, to me his resume is utter **** for a so called Undisputed MW Champion, because I take in the fact that he got gifts over the two elite's, and on my card drew with Cory Spinks.
     
  6. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Just to add though, Barkley did have some good fights, and reminds me in a lot of ways of Gatti. A guy who won world titles, and was a very tough guy, but didn't possess the skills to carry him on further.
     
  7. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    How's he going to do that? Close fight with Barkley, losing to Liles isn't a good indication from my viewpoint.

    He cannot control the pace of the bout, therefore he fights Kessler's pace and is at the mercy of Kessler's control behind the jab and he lacks the sufficient KO power to turn the bout and keep it honest.

    Because he was outboxing Toney he beats Kessler? He's at a terrible stylistic disadvantage against MK.

    This is the absurdity that we have to live with.
     
  8. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The only thing I see here that's absurd is your arrogance to believe that every analysis you make is the correct one.

    Simply put, I think your wrong. If you think I am....no skin off my back. Nunn was a better fighter than Kessler.
     
  9. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    The absurdity is that if Mikkel Kessler were to dominate the rest of his time at 168 and keep with his consistency, move up to LHW and dominate and this includes a big win over Chad Dawson and maybe Erdei, getting him another 8 wins that are notable and not even competitive, then you'd concede that he was a better fighter than Michael Nunn.

    OF COURSE, we can just compare tape between two boxers who worked behind the jab.

    However, I am telling you that if he recieves the oppurtunity to do what I have stated above, he will pull through like I have stated above and this is so simply to forecast if studying the sport within depth was a big part of being a fan, but it makes no difference, Nunn would beat Kessler even though he's at an intense stylistic disadvantage.

    I guess Nunn would beat Kessler just because he's a more well known 'imprint' within history.

    I could just as easily say Nunn would beat Bob Foster, but that would be considered ludicrous, because Foster would spark Nunn in a few rounds.
     
  10. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It would be ludicrous because of what Foster would bring to the table.

    If Kessler does all you said, he may very well be considered greater than Nunn. It doesn't mean he would beat him. Stop trying to point out others opinions and place them in some important stature with my own.

    SRR has done more than most fighters in any weight class. But there are fighters who could beat him and I have picked fighters to beat him. Thus I have already proven that I don't just take into account historical greatness and imprint.

    Stop trying to mix things in that have nothing to do with what I said. I don't care what others said.
     
  11. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    We weren't comparing DLH to Barkely, it was the guy they beat at their times, Hearns and Chavez. Did you lose track or something? Or were you going to try to argue or spin this into something else OTHER then what you posted. :roll:
     
  12. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He was good and had some good wins but not an A level boxer.
     
  13. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Can't rank too much on the "if" factor, but I certainly do not disagree with most of what you say.
     
  14. magnificentdave

    magnificentdave Constant Reminder Full Member

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    barkley has a better resume than calzaghe
     
  15. "TKO"

    "TKO" Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Barkley was not an A-level fighter but certainly a very good B-level fighter, better than most of the world champs around today. His power, heart and aggression made him what he was, skills left a bit to be desired. His high loss percentage is a direct result of fighting on way too long at the end of his career (he won 1 of his last 9 bouts). In his prime (85-93), he was a hell of a fighter. Just looking at the quality of the only men who beat him in that period tells you all you need to know: Kalambay, Duran, Nunn, Benn and Toney. In the same period he beat, amongst others, Randy Smith, Sanderline Williams, Wilfred Scypion, James Kinchen, Michael Olajide, Hearns twice and Darrin Van Horn. The Toney fight, I think, finished him as a serious contender, but in his prime nobody (except Benn) had an easy night with him.