Was it just me or DID JOHNNY LEWIS CHEAT?

No worries mate.

Shane summed it up quite well.

Dont get me wrong, Johnny deserves respect and accolades, but the guy is lorded on this country as being the messiah of boxing. Im yet to see a fighter improve once they switch to his guidence. I rate Johnny Lewis, but when u consider how HIGHLY he's rated, i think thats too high, therefore overrated.

 

The style Tzyu fought with obviously took him a fair way, I've only seen one or two Tszyu amateur fights (one of which being his gold medal at sydney) and the style he fought with in the Ams was very similar, only he did not place such an emphasis on punching power and more on ring movement and flurrys.

Tszyu's style simply changed to being a bit less active around the ring which makes sense seeing as though he went from fighting 4 rounds to 12.

In a 33 fight career that spanned 13 years he only recieved two bad beatings, thats alot less then your average fighter who fights for that long.

As far as him losing his jab under lewis, watch the Judah fight. He nearly knocked him out with a jab.
Although I will agree that Lewis' style of training does not suit all fighters, the way he trained Tszyu was perfect.

 

With much respect , that comment is the stupidest thing i have eve r read

 

Wayne, stating Fenech and Harding as "world champs no matter what" is nothing short of laughable. The Dib tape moment is nothing more than a backhanded compliment really. Plenty of great trainers have bought their fighter more time when needs be.

 

Thats fair enough, but whys that comment so stupid

 

Wayne I mentioned in my review of the night that I thought rds 9, 10 & 11 finished early.
I've since reviewed those rounds, rd.9 Mundine got hit low and while the ref gave him time to recover he never called a time out, he just stood in the middle of the ring looking lost. When the fight resumed fox put their clock back on the screen but obviously they had stopped it at some point but why and where was their call, not ref McMahons.
Rd.10 same again, low blow to Mandy, once again McMahon gives Mundine some time to recover, once again doesn't call a time out and once again Fox are running their own clock to their own tempo.
Rd.11 Tape comes loose from Taylors glove, no time out called, once again the Fox clock keeps running.
Havn't checked the earlier rounds, those ones stood out as I remember the clock on the screen at the time.
You are right about the referee the other night, he was terrible, I'd like to think it was an off night but he just looked lost in there.
Bad officiating is not exclusive to here, on a recent FNF card held in Canada one of the rounds ran for 4 1/2 minutes.

 

Waynesmale,
Three days after the Dib-Morali bout I spoke to a very well respected NSW official regarding the tape situation.
He pointed out to me that unless a referee actually sees an indisgression of that nature taking place between rounds it would be a huge call to start deducting points or even issuing warnings.
I'd be interested to know if point deductions for tape manipulation have ever taken place in a title fight.
And whether you rate Jonny Lewis or not as a trainer he certainly has the score on the board.

 

Fenech wouldn't have been a world champ no matter what. Lewis took him from a street thug and turned him into what he was as a fighter.

 

yep Lewis gave Haumono coke during rounds against Couser thats why he was tired:nut

i'm waiting for anenigwank to reply:!:

 

Are u saying Fenech would not have been champ with another trainer?

The way u worded that sounds as though u believe he couldnt have got there without Lewis?

 

That would all depend on whether he ever walked into a gym in the first place. It was Pat Jervis and Lewis that got him into boxing in the first place. Lewis developed him from scratch. It's not like Jeff had the natural talent of a Ray Leonard or Floyd Mayweather.

 

No, i agree he didnt have the natuaral talent if those u mention.

And i cant really judge Lewis on Fenech, Harding or Tzsyu, as he had them from the beginning of their pro careers. However, i think u would agree all have certain attributes that would suggest most decent trainers who'd have taken them to the top as well.

My doubts about Lewis as a trainer revolve more around the lack of success with the likes of Briggs and Dibb. Now i didnt expect miracles, but i expected improvement. Neither improved. Neither improved at all.

 

Briggs was on the tail end of a rugged career. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks. I don't think he improved under Mosley either. Dib, well personally, he's ordinary. Tszyu would've been a world champ if placed under a good trainer, with good connections. I can't say the same for either Jeff. Especially Harding.