Was it sane to put Sartison against Kessler?

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  1. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Mikkel Kesslers recent opponent Dimitri Sartison was no doubt a much better opponent than most had expected, but...

    - He came into the fight never having boxed more than 10 rounds.
    - Being smaller in both size and reach.
    - Never been in there with a high profile opponent before.

    I have no doubt that Dimitri will be a major roleplayer in SMW once he improves his stamina levels. He has a feared left and right hook, that he rocked Kessler with in 1st round, but once he gassed around round 6, it was an even more unfair match.

    Considering the lack of throwing the towel for Sartison, I have somewhat an idea that Sartisons team either overrated their boxers current level, or just wanted a title, while throwing their brave boxer to the lions.
     
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  2. Serenata

    Serenata Fit und geimpft Full Member

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    It was clearly to early but a good learning lesson
     
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  3. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    It is our job to protect fighters, so they don't receive permanent damage. To me, Sartisons team failed their fighter.

    I am sure it was a good lesson, but the potential costs seems too dire.
     
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  4. JMP

    JMP Champion Full Member

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    yes, i know its hard to pass up those opportunities, but he could have waited a little longer and gotten more fights under his belt.

    look at mora with taylor. said no, people criticised him, then he won a belt against a different opponent.
     
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  5. gigogreco

    gigogreco Well-Known Member Full Member

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    or even perhaps sartison is really ambitious, and wanted the fight himelf.

    the fact that he was smaller and his reach shorter, really isnt an issue, thats a part of boxing, then paul williams at ww or pavlik at mw, jlit at hw wouldnt be able to fight anyone.

    regarding the rounds, yes has hasnt fought 12, but 10.. he should know to come well prepared, and the german trainers are known for strict disciplin. if he gassed out after 6, then he wouldnt be in shape for 10 right.?

    the main issue, should perhaps be, that sartison in the first place got a title shot, with shitty credentials and generally is known to be a class or 2 lower then kessler.
     
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  6. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Yeah, I agree. In hindsight, it seems Mora did the right thing to pass up such an opportunity, unlike Sartison and Manfredo.
     
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  7. DanePugilist

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    I have no doubt that the boxer himself was ambitious, most talented boxers are. However, its the teams job to valuate when it is the right moment.

    Yes, smaller size and reach aren't always an issue, when taken isolated, but coming in to a title fight where you are vastly inferior in experience, number of rounds, reach and height, against a world class boxer, it all adds up.

    He did come well prepared, having boxed alot in Russia, but boxing against a world class fighter, which boxes so cleanly that referees never intervene, and therefore never gives the opponent(or himself) a chance to recouperate. To me nothing could have prepared him more than way more 12 rounders before this fight.
     
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  8. Clearly Cool

    Clearly Cool Active Member Full Member

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    I was actually impressed with some things Sartison did. He isn't athletically amazing, but he seemed pretty clever. He feinted, threw some nice combinations, has decent defense, good counter punching, movement.....he was a good all rounder.

    The only problem is that he doesn't excell in any one area. So he will probably beat most B grade boxers but struggle with the top guys.

    I think it was a good opponent for Kessler coming off the Calzaghe loss.
     
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  9. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    I agree that it was good for Kessler, but was it good for Sartison at this particular point? Not that he wasn't good enough, but it seemed like a great go-kart driver was doing his first Le Man, and was meant to be challenging.

    Maybe my analogy sucks, but I can't come up with anything else atm.
     
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  10. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sartison should not be figthing at 168 period, imo.
     
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  11. TheH1tMan

    TheH1tMan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sartison will beat most people in the no. 10-20 range, but there really wasn't anything he could do here. On the other hand, probably only a couple of guys can hope of taking rounds from Kessler. But yeah I get your point - perhaps Sartison's guys should have not taken the offer. On the other hand they have been fighting for that ranking for a long time so it would be tough to do a Mundine, Chanet etc. and just forefit because Kessler happens to be the next opponent.
     
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  12. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I think it was a bit daft to put Sartison in with Kessler, yes.

    Kessler is now a paper champion.
     
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  13. TFFP

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    I think he did well for 6 rounds or so. He didn't really bother Kessler, or take any rounds (except 1 which was kinda close) but he was tough for sure. His corner should have stopped it earlier, he was running and taking a lot of shots, I think he wanted out.
     
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  14. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    He did well, until he gassed. He was already breathing heavier in round 3. Tank was empty at 7. It was really a KO waiting to happen - and mostly why? Because he didn't have the stamina for 12 hard rounds, not because of lack of skills.

    At least thats how I see it, and I feel very sorry for Sartison, because he fought very bravely against impossible odds.
     
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  15. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    a good learning lesson???

    he was systematically beaten down, pummeled and finally stopped.

    these type of "lessons" leave a fighter damaged goods.
     
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