Was Jack Johnson lying or telling the truth on the following statements?

(9) When he said he seduced Mendoza's grandma

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123 yes 456 no 78 yes

edit, he carried ketchel, depends if u call that a fix, the result wasn't changed by it.

 

1. Truth

2. Exaggeration

3. Absolutely true - it was

4. Well I think he made the decision to go down and stay down himself (too similar unrealistic way he fell just like Ketchel but at least this time he had the foil of a big showy right that did actually connect) - so yes to me he was telling the truth

5. Well again I think he was telling the truth

6. Yes I think Johnson was just saying what he thought at the time (discounting himself from the argument obviously haha) - Jeffries was probably consensus choice at the time so not unusual

7. Again I think that he was telling the truth I don't think he was pimping women at all - more like he went with pro's in general coz they in contrast to most white women of the era at least were probably more likely to hang with him because they had financial incentives and they wouldn't have necessarily had the same concerns about the social stigma of being a white woman going with a black guy coz they were probably partially resigned to a certain amount of social outcastedness already because of their line of work - I think the powers at be just took it as an easy thing to pin on him in an attempt to put him away

8. Yeah I think again that was how he felt - I think he wanted to be the only and the greatest black ever plus don't think jack and joe really saw eye to eye anyway so jack would probably be rubbing his hands gleefully anytime joe struggled slightly

 

My 2 cents.

 

For the loser who claim the Ketchel fight was fixed care to explain round three when he unloaded on him with power shots and put him down. "Carrying" a guy doesn't usually involve trying to finish him.

 

Johnson has explained it himself, hence the thread :good

 

Please produce PRIMARY SOURCES TO PROVE JOHNSON SAID No's 1.2.3.5.8.

PLEASE NOTE, A QUOTE ATTRIBUTED TO JOHNSON WITHOUT PROOF OF PROVENANCE IS UTTERLY WORTHLESS.
As to No 4, immediately after the Willard fight, Johnson stated he was beaten cleanly by the better man.There are extensive quotes to this effect that are easily verified.
In later years, broke , he peddled a signed "confession " to Nat Fleischer saying he had laid down .Fleischer did not publish it, because he knew it was not true, he bought it to give Johnson some needed bucks.
No 6 Johnson gave the accolade as the greatest heavyweight to Bob Fitzsimmons, it is easily found.If you were really looking for it of course .

Here is the link.Page27

[url]http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=SCE0ypLQHGcC&dat=19290427&printsec=frontpage&hl=en[/url]

No 7 How can you transport a woman for immoral [two m's btw]purposes unless you are selling her to others?
The Man Act was introduced to counteract white slave trafficking, Johnson at no time engaged in this, the women he transported across state lines were either prostitutes and or wives. Anyone wishing to educate themselves on the trial of Johnson can find extensive coverage in Papa Jack by Randy Roberts,and Unbelievable Blackness by Geoffrey C Ward ,they can then make their own minds up as to whether Johnson was guilty.

When Joe Louis became an obvious contender for the title, Johnson offered his services to Roxborough and Black, Louis's managers. He said he could make a champion of Louis ,but Jack Blackburn ,[whom Johnson hated,and who hated him in return] would have to go. Johnson correctly predicted that Schmeling,[ not Schemling btw] would take advantage of Louis not bringing his left hand back to protect his jaw quick enough after jabbing,and land his best punch a right cross. Schmeling duly did just that, and Johnson cleaned up a lot of money in bets.
Anything wrong with that?
Johnson had previously picked Louis to beat Carnera and went public on it. Because Johnson was astute enough to spot the flaw in Louis's armoury he is derogated?
Sam Langford and Joe Jeannette both picked against their race when Johnson met Jeffries, unfortunately for them, and those unwise enough to follow their example ,they picked WRONG . Fitzsimmons, Sharkey, Jeffries,Nelson , all picked Johnson to beat Burns should they be castigated for it?
Have a nice time with your hate campaign GRAND WIZARD.

Which one is you?

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For 'the loser' who can't tell the difference between round 2 and round 3 - care to explain if it was so easy for Johnson to put Ketchel down (let's be fair he was even trying) then why didn't he blast him out in round one?? And why did he even try to hit Ketchel again at all after he rose from the '2nd round' knockdown?? And why did he also accidently knock Ketchel down again in round 8 I beleive with even meaning to then getting worried an actually lifting him back up before he'd fell completely (one of the most ridiculous comedy moments i have seen in a boxing ring) - and why also when Johnson went to the mat in round twelve did he slip his own stabilising leg back and pitch forward to the floor himself before the punch from Stan even arrived?? And the punch whistling in a full uninterrupted arc over Johnson head as he pitched forward and didn't make contact with anything actually?? And why did Johnson rise with a grin on his face and almost killed Stan rushing in with one punch?? If you can't tell just from watching the moving pictures then I wouldn't class as much of a judge of anything?? My take on the 2nd round by the way is that thevknockdown there was a gentle clip round the ear for Stan by way of warning not to try and get too tasty and attempt anything

 

Johnson was LITERALLY carrying Ketchel at some points in the fight. He was physically holding him up, deliberately allowing Stan to get his strength back. Poor Stan couldn't take it.

 

Mendoza, Please, just accept that Johnson was better than Jeffries prime for prime as well as when they fought. The sooner you do this, the sooner we won't have to read your posts of hate towards Johnson.