Was Jack Johnson lying or telling the truth on the following statements?

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    That is what is reported by the press.


    Johnson's 'Mes Combats'

    "In his c1910 French biography ‘Mes Combats’ Johnson had this to say about their right: "I found him (Langford) one of the toughest adversaries I ever met in the ring. I weighed 190 pounds and Langford only 138. In the second round the little negro hit me on the jaw with a terrible right hand and I fell as if upended (or blown away) by a cannon ball. In all my pugilistic career, not before and not afterwards, have I received a blow that struck me with such force. It was all I could do just to get back on my feet just as the referee was about to count "Ten!" I made it, but I assure you that I felt the effects of that punch for the rest of the fight. I recovered but I would have to take my hat off to him if I hadn't had so much science at my comment. In the fifteenth round I was declared the winner on points."


    You might also want to read the below news read where Johnson says the Willard fight was fixed.

    [url]http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...B5668382609EDE[/url]
     
    Mendoza, May 10, 2012
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  2. mcvey

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    So Langford scaled 155lbs in 1905 for a fight with Young Peter Jackson ,and then a year later, he lost 18lbs to fight Johnson?:think

    Langford scaled 141lbs in 1904 ,when he fought Jack Blackburn.

    Have fun playing with yourself to this ****.
    Of course you could always delve a little deeper into the origin of that booklet which was originally a series of ghost written articles by an unamed French hack, but you won't.

    You never let the truth stop you from posting something.

    No matter it is as thoroughly discredited as yourself.

    Below, two local newspaper ringside reports of the Langford fight.NO MENTION OF LANGFORD FLOORING JOHNSON IN A ONE- SIDED DRUBBING.

    [url]http://www.boxinginsider.com/history/when-langford-whipped-jack-johnson/[/url]



    [url]http://senya13.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/1906-04-26-jack-johnson-w-pts15-sam.html[/url]


    N. B. STILL WAITING FOR THE LIES YOU SAY IV'E MADE TO BE POSTED BY YOU. AND OF COURSE ,YOUR PRIMARY SOURCES FOR THE BULL**** YOU KEEP PROPAGATING.



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    mcvey, May 11, 2012
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  3. mcvey

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    Langford scaled 155lbs a year previously for a fight with Young Peter Jackson , are you seriously suggesting he took off 18lbs a year later to fight Johnson? Two years before he fought Johnson he scaled 141lbs for a figth with Jack Blackburn . Dig through my posts and produce the lies you say I told.I invite you to produce them.
     
    mcvey, May 11, 2012
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  4. Mendoza

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    Mcvey,

    The title of this thread is about which lies did Johnson tell. The way I see it, you have three choices here.


    1 ) Believe that Johnson, an ego manigc type who fought Sam Langford told the truth in this case, and was in fact floored by Langford. Fighters seldom forget who floored them! Something tells you do not want to accept this :)


    2 ) Chalk this up as just another lie that Johnson told.


    3 ) Show me specific proof that the French press who interviewed Johnson for this article were the liars. Specific proof is not omissions in other fight reports. Fights reports can vary in terms of describing the actions listed weights, and can miss knockdowns.

    Johnson was in France for a while. I tend to doubt a newspaper would fabricate this much data, as they leave themselves open to being called out. If the newspaper was caught in a lie, you need to produce were they were called out or show me where they corrected the mistake.

    I understand neither of the three choices are attractive for you. You have a way of playing double standards, but if you want to discredit the French press the onus is on you to produce crystal clear proof they were wrong!
     
    Mendoza, May 12, 2012
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  5. mcvey

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    As Johnson did not make those statements he is neither lying or telling the truth.


    1. Can you show me specific proof that Johnson ever made those statements?

    2. Who he made them to?

    3. And in which paper they were printed?

    No you cant', because they are fabricated bull****.

    You believe them because you wish to, if they stated Johnson scaled 175lbs to Langford's 170 , and that Johnson punched the **** out of Langford , or some such,you would never mention them.
    Get a ****ing life. Try learning to read and write, that should occupy your time.

    I've heard you describe Johnson as many things all of them derogatory ,but -
    "AN EGO MANIGC TYPE" is a new description , you really do have your own language don't you?
    Examples of Mendoza speak.

    Venison for version, Sangfroid for Sam Langford,[that really is novel] Supper middleweight for super middleweight, Meet for met.
    It's a kind of Esperanto really ,with only one speaker though,you.


    It's like conversing with an extra terrestial ,come to think of it , we could have a remake of "Mork & Mindy", with you in the role of the alien, "Mendoza & Mindy", how about it?
    Nanu Nanu!:lol:
     
    mcvey, May 12, 2012
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  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    >>1910 French biography ‘Mes Combats’ I posted it above.

    If you do not like a source, it the onus is on you to provide evidence to the contrary. Once again you choices are thus:

    Johnson lied. He has done before !

    Johnson was telling the truth, and was floored by a much smaller man. Perhaps even harder for you to embrace : ) And we know he avoided Langford as champion.

    The French press made it up. I tend to doubt this. This was their interview, and if they made it up Johnson, his managers, or anyone in boxing would have quickly called them out.

    NEXT!
     
    Mendoza, May 14, 2012
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  7. mcvey

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    Actually ,when you make a statement the onus is on you to provide proof of its veracity . By the way it was not an interview.
    It was series of articles by an unamed French hack, for an unamed French paper, that was later cobbled together into a 93 page booklet, later "enlarged " to 127pages.

    You even got the date of it wrong.:patsch
    For your information ,the articles were not interviews with Johnson they appeared in a French magazine,and first came to light in the US when Geoffrey C Ward referred to them in "Unforgivable Blackness". A professor, Christopher Rivers requested Ward to let him see the articles with a view to translating them . Ward agreed, they were translated into English and some recollections by Johnson himself were later added to flesh it out.
    The only complete version of this book is in the Harvard University Library.

    I know when it was published and in what magazine, you do not.
    You really should have done some research to establish the provenance of this tome, but that would not help your crusade would it?

    Now, go back and read this gobbledegook post you've made ,and try and formulate it into English. You embarrass yourself yet again ,Rainman.

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    Illustration from it above.
     
    mcvey, May 15, 2012
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