Was Jack Johnson superior to Joe Louis in anyway?

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  1. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm in good company, those are my top 3 ATG Heavyweights.
     
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  2. TBI

    TBI Active Member Full Member

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    Definitely better at pissing off the white establishment.
     
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  3. Grapefruit

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    To be honest I couldn't agree more with Emanuel Stewart's assement of Jack Johnson, he mostly just fought middleweights and was mostly just known for his arrogance, had one fight against another game heavyweight (willard) and got his @ss kicked. Most will say jack probably had better defence but that's hard to say when you consider joe had better competition than Jack, easily overshadowed in every other department.
     
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  4. The Long Count

    The Long Count Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Louis dispatches Johnson inside 10
     
  5. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    Much smarter. Louis was slow to adjust. He was mechanical. Look at his record in rematches. He was super talented but it had to be drilled in. Much tougher for him to make the adjustments mid fight.
     
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  6. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Better defense and probably physically stronger (even though Louis was the harder and better puncher).
     
  7. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    Being able to fight and punch going backwards is an underrated skill, and johnson definitely had that over Louis and the vast majority of hw champions incidentally. He was so ahead of his time it's ridiculous, why dont people appreciate him and do fight break downs or analyze his style?
     
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  8. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's not the politically correct thing to say butJack Johnson would not have been the same fighter, probably would not have been a champion, had he not participated in the Battle Royales. Learning how to fight blind folded was the reason that Jack was so good inside. How else do you consistently win fights against multiple people when you can't see them? You have to get inside and FEEL them.
     
  9. mcvey

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  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    We know Johnson engaged in Battle Royale's,Im not sure he ever fought blindfolded in one.
     
  11. mcvey

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    Johnson said he won all his fights fighting off the back foot ,making the other guy lead.
     
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  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    The average weight of Johnson's challengers was the highest until Louis became champion.
     
  13. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wait a minute. I was under the impression that most or many battle royals featured blindfolded fighters like this picture https://i.imgur.com/P18TnpG.jpg
     
  14. mcvey

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    I'm under the impression that the term encompasses all bouts that were comprised of several fighters, there were on occasion even one legged versions too.Adam Pollack ,in his 1st volume bio of Johnson quotes the San Francisco Call in1909 stating that Johnson participated in several "battle royals",no mention is made of the fighters being blindfolded.
     
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  15. escudo

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    Hmm, it's always been a theory of mine that the reason Johnson was so good inside was time spent fighting blindfolded. No need to see what you can feel, that grapplers sensitivity.