Was Jim Jeffries Undefeated When He Made His Comeback?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Was Jeffries ring record unblemished with no official losses when he came back to challenge Jack Johnson? I ask this because history shows that in his four rounder with Jack Munroe the referee gave a verdict at the end of it ,and it wasn't in Jeffries favour?
     
  2. Mendoza

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    If you read the Butte Minor, it will tell you Munroe was down several times in a 4 ex round match. Jeffries never was. Munore lasted the distance with an out of shape Jeffries and then fabricated things, which lead to a real match where he was blow out in 2 rounds.
     
  3. janitor

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    I guess that it would have been a loss in an exhibition, so definitely a grey area.
     
  4. Mendoza

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    It is doubtful Munroe won in scoring, he only lasted the distance of four rounds. Boxers sometimes have 100’s of exhibitions. Jeffries had over 100. Judge it for what is was.

    The champion was never down or in danger, or out, like he was say in GunBoat Smith's KO over Jack Johnson :)
     
  5. mcvey

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    The referee gave an official decision after the fight ,he scored it for Munroe.

    Want some news reads?
    The San Francisco Examiner.
    "Munroe hit the champion square on the point of the jaw and sent him to his knees,following it up with several ugly jabs that nearly made a knockout possible.
    Munroe was too shifty for Jeffries and most of the blows of the big champion went wild.Munroe was still aggressive at the end of the fourth".

    "Munroe repeatedly landed a number of jabs and displayed unexpected cleverness , and although he went down several times it was more through Jeffries great weight than the punishment inflicted".
    " The Examiner the next day followed up with yet another report which said that Jeff was wobbly on his feet in the 4th
    round and had previously been down from a stiff punch on the jaw. Munroe was still aggressive in the fourth and referee Duncan McDonald awarded Munroe the decision."

    " Fitz said Jeff was clearly out of form and Jeffries said it was the first decision rendered against him, but he would have wagered his life he could have knocked Munroe out in the next round".

    "This story was echoed throughout the nation.
    The Seattle Post Intelligencer also reported that Jeff lost a decision after 4 rounds of the fiercest fighting Butte had seen for some time . At one point Jeff went to his knees and a knockout looked possible."

    "Munroe who had been the amateur champion of the Pacific Coast was game to the core and argued every inch with Jeffries.
    He repeatedly landed jabs to the face and jarred him considerably,he blocked many vicious uppercuts and displayed unexpected cleverness ".

    "Jeffries said the altitude affected him and he was afraid of over exertion."

    The Billings Gazette said:
    "Munroe repeatedy jolted Jeffries to the facwe and had the big fellow considerably worried.Jeffries tried his very best to knock the big miner out but he showed great cleverness inducking and blocking uppercuts.Jeffreis also roughed in the clinches but Munroe was with him all the time" "At one time the champion went to his knees and a knockout looked possible".:think
     
  6. mcvey

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    I've been reading about Jeffries exhibitions but can't find the one you stated he kod Ed Dunkhorst in , nor can I find details of all these boxers you say he ko'd in the UK. Strange:huh
     
  7. janitor

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    The referre did render a verdict against Jeffries, but the thing comes across as a bit of a put up job, to goad him into giving Munro a title shot. Certainly Munro's manager asiduously stoked the rumour mill, and the thing gained a momentum of its own.
     
  8. Mendoza

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    Are you saying its not out there to read on the web? You would be mistaken. So unless you think its fabricated I'm not sure what point you are tying to make.
     
  9. Berlenbach

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    It was an exhibition and Jeff had to stop Monroe within the four rounds. He failed to do so, so the referee awarded the decision to Monroe.
     
  10. mcvey

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    Read the primary reports I posted.
     
  11. klompton2

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    Except it wasnt a KO and that wasnt an exhibition...

    But you already knew that because Ive shown you the proof numerous times including Smith's own words. But god forbid your ******* ass let the facts get in the way of a good ole racist fantasy.
     
  12. mcvey

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    There's zero chance of him allowing that.:lol:
     
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    Just an interesting tidbit.

    If you count Munroe's fight as a loss for jeffries (assuming the loss was simply because he lasted the distance and not because Monroe actually won the exhibition), then it sheds a whole new light on the Bob Fitzsimmons vs Black Pearl fight that Fitzsimmons had as middleweight champion which was the Coloured Champion vs the white champion so technically a unification bout. This is because the Black Pearl technically lasted the four rounds, so therefore got the decision and should have been the unified champion. I wonder how that win would have effected the Black Pearl's legacy nowadays.
     
  14. mcvey

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    It's something to think about. Was that the condition that Fitz agreed to to stop him within a specified number of rounds?
     
  15. mcvey

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    I'm asking you to produce the primary sources that state Jeffries ko'd Dunkhorst and that he ko'd loads of challengers in the UK which you also stated.
    That's the point of my query.