Was Jim Jeffries Undefeated When He Made His Comeback?

The referee was not empowered to render an official decision in the Munroe exhibition, because it was just an exhibition/no decision bout. The "decision" simply was that Munroe was entitled to the monetary bonus offered if he lasted 4 rounds, which he did.

 

Correct. McVey never learns....

 

Originally Posted by apollack

The referee was not empowered to render an official decision in the Munroe exhibition, because it was just an exhibition/no decision bout. The "decision" simply was that Munroe was entitled to the monetary bonus offered if he lasted 4 rounds, which he did.

So by that logic, did GunBoat Smith TKO Jack Johnson when his manager stepped in and halted the action in a 4 round ex match?

Do tell Mr. Double standard.

If there was a " news decision " Jeffries floored Munroe several times, and won it. As Adam stated the ref was not empowered to make a decision.

 

You just never learn McVey.

1 ) The ref was not allowed to call a decision.

2 ) How could Jeffries lose an ex match when he floored Munore multiple times in rounds 3 and 4? By any scoring this is an easy call.

What matters is the real fight. Munore was 215 pounds for that one. The fight would have been halted in round one under modern rules.

Film collectors should take note. This was filmed and Jack Dempsey himself said he saw. I forget when, but it was much later in his life. 1970's I think.

 

It was a decision of sorts, but not a points decision, and not a decision on the merits. It was not a victory or win as we consider it today. It was a decision that Munroe lasted the distance and therefore was entitled to the bonus. The same thing happened in Sullivan - Tug Wilson. Wilson went down 30-50 times in 4 rounds, but he earned the monetary bonus by lasting 4 rounds. But that does not mean he defeated Sullivan or won on the merits. So I think perhaps we are parsing words here. Ultimately, we should say what really happened. Jeffries still was undefeated because he did not lose an official points verdict to Munroe. He wasn't beaten. It merely was an exhibition bout in which he said he would give Munroe a monetary bonus if he lasted 4 rounds. That is all. The bout was what it was.

 

Using the same logic, Joe Gans lost to Harry Berger and Kid Thomas on July 15, 1901, because he failed to stop them in 6 rounds each.