Was Joe Calzaghe a small super middleweight?

When a fighter says they could PROBABLY give someone a tough fight, the 'probably' part hardly inspires confidence. Note that Calzaghe isn't even talking about beating Jones here, merely being competitive, yet his comment is still riddled with doubt - "I know my capabilities. I wouldn't want to risk it". It's pretty obvious he didn't fancy his chances.

Hopkins pulled out of a three fight deal with Showtime because he was getting ripped off by Don King , part of this deal might have involved a Calzaghe fight had Joe turned up. But given Calzaghe's comments about not wanting tough fights and his history of pull outs, there are no guarantees Calzaghe would have gone through with it anyway.

As for ducks, here are some fighters/fights that Calzaghe ducked

The whole LHW division when it mattered, namely Jones and then Tarver
Sven Ottke
Robin Reid rematch
Glen Johnson
Carl Froch
Bernard Hopkins rematch
Kelly Pavlik
Chad Dawson

Even little Winky Wright offered to move up and fight Calzaghe, but Joe wanted no part of that either.

 

Wtf ???

:huh

Two days into a Joe Calzaghe thread and nary a whinge nor whine from HerolGee ???

 

On average
5'8"= Welterweight : Mayweather, Thurman, Khan, Rios
5'9"= Junior Middle : Alvarez, Lara
5'10"= Middleweight : Golovkin, Lemieux, Geale
5'11"= Super Middleweight : Groves, Steiglitz
6'0"= Light Heavyweight : Kovalev, Beterbiev

Joe Calzaghe= 5'11"

There's some fluctuation depending on body type and weight cutting, but generally speaking that's how things tend to shake out.

 

Joe Calzaghe was 6'0"

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44548000/jpg/_44548038_calz_vs_hopk_466.jpg

 

According to boxrec, he's 5'11".
http://boxrec.com/boxer/5364

 

Boxrec is wrong. I'm right.

 

5ft11 and a half

 

No he was a huge cherry picker

 

Joe's full quote was
"I could probably give Jones a tough fight, probably the best fight he's ever had," said Calzaghe. "But I know my capabilities and unless I got paid the crown jewels I wouldn't want to risk it."

When you add the whole quote and not just use it out of context as his haters do it shows he's willing to fight if the money was right.

Also, the word "capabilities" I suggest you Joe haters go look up the definition of that word because he's not saying he doesn't have the skills not to beat Roy, he would use limitations if he thought that. He said "capabilities" which means he knows he has the skills to beat Roy if the money was on the table.

Also, Throughout Joe's career he never called out anybody. He just beat who was put in front of him. People avoided him because he was the GGG of that ERA.

Your 2nd point contradicts what Showtime senior Vice President of sports and events Jay Larkin witnessed.
""The pair were supposed to fight in 2002 with Then showtime senior Vice President of sports and events Jay Larkin revealing
‘A teleconference was set up in July 30th in New York, on the call was myself, Don King, Frank ****** and Bernard Hopkins lawyer Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a women named Linda Carter who was there on behalf of Bernard. Arnold was asked how much it would take to set up a fight between Calzaghe and Hopkins and responded $3 million and the fight would have to be in the United States. Frank ****** immediately agreed, Don King agreed and as far as we were concerned all parties were singing from the same hymn sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda which I assume was to call Bernard. They came back with a new figure, $6 million, the deal collapsed.""


I'll go through your names also seeing as I'm bored.


"The whole LHW division when it mattered, namely Jones and then Tarver" - Joe never ducked either of these guys as he wasn't in the LHW division at the time. Using your logic, GGG is ducking Froch and Ward.

"Sven Ottke" - He refused to leave Germany and fight the number 1 guy in the division. Roy Jones did something similar with DM. Jones refused to leave America to fight the number 1 guy in the LHW division.
"Robin Reid rematch" - Joe beat him with one hand. No need for a rematch.
"Glen Johnson" - LHW calling out a SMW. If Johnson wanted this fight so bad why didn't he go down to 168lbs and get himself into a mandatory position? Also, Johnson was never that good. He's always been a Journeyman. He doesn't belong in the same ring with Joe.
"Carl Froch" - Yeah, Joe's gonna destroy undeserving Froch at the time and turn down two huge money fights with Hopkins and Jones. Also we know what would have happened if they met after Joe's son Kessler beat Froch convincingly in Denmark. Joe was and always be a level above Froch.
Bernard Hopkins rematch - Hahaha Yeah, that's going to end up differently. If this was in Wales, Hopkins would lose much worse.
The first fight was only "close" because Joe got careless and hit the canvas dropping two points. Rest of the fight was a boorish clinchfest from Hopkins and Joe trying to make it interesting by engaging.

"Kelly Pavlik" - He never ducked him. Don't be silly. Pavlik was losing to worse people than Joe at 160lbs. He'd get a worse beating from Joe than Martinez given him at 168lbs
"Chad Dawson" - What about him? Beating Journeymen like Johnson and old slow plodders like Tarver are in no way shape or form relevant in him beating Joe who was much superior to Tarver and Johnson in every facet of boxing.
"Winky Wright" - Yeah, Joe avoided a defensive boxer he outweighed and was a division below him. He also had a few losses on his record so he brought nothing to this hypothetical fight.

 

Calzaghe was massive for the weight. No muscle (no weight-training) and hard training (5-mile run then 1-mile uphill grass sprint, 15 minutes shadow boxing-15 rounds of pads-15 minutes double-end bag) yet still had to starve for days to make weight.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Joe's willingness to fight Why did he wait for Roy to get KO Ed then in order to fight him ? After he said Jones wasn't that good any more


Man this is once long ass defense for Joe

And Dawson was a journeyman wow UDKSAB

If Joe was that much superior then Johnson than why did he pull out of a fight with him 3 times ?


So Froch was undeserving a guy who worked his way up to man do status? Let me guess Peter Manfredo was more deserving than Froch huh

Speaking of DM you do know that Joe could,have fought him as well ..Bet he would have never stepped in the ring with him


Man I have never witnessed such excuses for Joe this can only be rivaled by Bailey ..:rofl

 

I think the top guys are usually taller than that. Guys like foster, hopkins, monzon, robinson, Mayweather were all tall fighters for their best weight class.

Height has its advantages.

 

When you read the comments on here then it's no wonder Calzaghe did what he did. Carl Froch can be passed off as undeserving yet 35,000 drunken morons will turn up to watch him slap Peter Manfredo and get some garbage stoppage.

Then the guy can say that Roy Jones is finished, not any good anymore and fighting him is pointless (after saying he wanted no part of him in his prime). But then fights him anyway and these same idiots lap it up and give him credit for it.