Was Joe Joyce a hypejob all along? Zhang rematch will say all that needs to be said.

Joyce is too slow to beat Zhang and he doesn't have reach advantage. Its stylistical nightmare so he loses again.

Hrgovic did better against Zhang, because Hrgovic is faster and better movement.

 

Joyce needs to put pressure on Zhang to exploit his old man stamina but in doing so he's going to get hit...

He doesn't close the distance in a crafty way and can't stay on Zhang's chest so he's done for.

No point waiting and being more cautious, the low pace suits Zhang.

 

Joyce does his somersault and ****s it up and ends up somersaulting out of the ring. Saves us wondering what could have been if he loses. Or another addition to the absolute mess in heavyweight boxing. Also a third fight to prolong the aforementioned agony.

 

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Joyce is being massively UNDERrated if anything.

 

Joyce only loses to Zhang, Fury and Usyk.

Hype job? My ass.

 

The problem is that Joyce relies 100% on his jab. And vs a southpaw that's a problem, because a standard jab vs a southpaw is worth next to nothing. On top of that Zhang's power is unreal, so eating his punches waiting for an oportunity is next to impossible.

Zhang is a stylistic nightmare for Joyce, that's all. Those things happen, and those things have always happened. It was a stupid move by Joyce to fight Zhang, and even a more stupid move to re-match him. Guts dont pay the bills, the brain pays the bills, stupid moves lead to nowhere.

 

I disagree that a standard jab is worthless, problem is a standard orthodox fighters balance will be shifted wrong and they leave themselves open to the straight as Joyce does...

The trick is to be dominant with the jab which is the key in any fight...problem is Joyce can't establish jab dominance/ Fury would set about Zhang right and proper jab his nut off...problem is all these other heavyweights haven't got that ability. They are stuck in a style and can't adapt. Joyce's biggest problem is he is SLOW and uses attrition to stop opponents not like he can trade and come on top which even AJ could do. It's just a horrible style matchup. You could see out of the gate it was going to go downhill for Joe.

 

I agree that you can be dominant with your jab vs a southpaw. But it is not easy at all, and imho it is not worth it. It is way better to rely on your rear hand and to use your front hand with hooks instead of jabs.

Nevertheless, you are right, a master boxer can use his jab effectively vs a skilled soulthpaw and dominate. It's rare to witness that kind of skills though.

To me it is like the phillyshell. Is it good to use the philly? yes it is, but dont do it, use the classical guard. Can you use the jab to win to a skilled southpaw? yes you can, but dont do it, use the left hooks and the right cross.

A personal preference, I guess. Being purist, I'm wrong though. You are right. But it would be better for Joyce if he used his right hand cross and his left hook rather than his jab.

PS: Taking into account that his oponent is Zhang, the most importan thing for Joyce, though, is to survive the first 7 rounds. Zhang's lack of gasstank will do the rest.

PS2: imho the jab is generally not too good vs southpaws, as I said, but the jab is specially bad vs southpaw monsterpunchers (like Zhang), since they will gladly eat you jab so that they can connect their hard left cross. It's very difficult to win like that.

PS3: You used Fury as an example of a boxer who can win using his jab. Fury is not a normal fighter, his boxing IQ is ridiculous, off the charts. Underrated fighter because of his clown persona, but his boxing IQ is unreal, he can do things that most of the fighters cannot.

 

He'll be coming in heavier in this rematch. Zhang was starting to gas out towards the end so there is hope for Joyce. Should be a great fight.

 

Blocking punches with your face typically doesn’t end well, particularly in the Heavyweight division.