Was Joshua beating about him being better or ruiz out of shape

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  1. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly. Joshuas big problem is he still needs his hand held. Or if he doesnt need it he still allows it to happen. Mckrackens good at what he does....but his training methods puts a limit on the improvements a fighter can make. Dont get me wrong hes a knowledgeable good trainer. But watching him train joshua...its constant nit picking....stopping a problem before the fighter can find a way to stop it himself and properly learn from it by doing the wrong thing and then fixing it themselves. I reckon joshua has pretty low ring iq....mckrackens made it better. His training does work hes a good trainer but do reckon the methods limits the fighters.

    Its good to listen to your trainer...but their almost over advising at times. Giving him tips over the ropes when sparring etc. Constant advice constsntly picking out his mistakes in training...is too much. Joshua needs to learn from his mistakes himself...maybe he cant do that...until he can he,ll always be liable to get beat by someone he shouldnt be getting beat from.

    Not knocking mckracken because hes a good coach...but at some point he has to let joshua learn himself.
     
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  2. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Probably him being better, his biggest problem was falling in during exchanges and getting caught. Ruiz was still dangerous whenever he had Ruiz at mid-range but he was much quicker to take a defensive maneuver.
     
  3. chico g

    chico g Let's watch some Sesame Street...lmao Full Member

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    Joshua hasn't been the same since the Klitschko fight. The Takam stoppage were signs of his declining explosive power, he practically had his personal referee stop it for him. McCracken's camp know his speed is diminishing, and it took a obese fighter like Ruiz to expose it. That's why his camp are trying to get him out of he weight room, into the boxing gym and away from Ronnie Coleman. It will only be a matter of time before he starts coming into the ring looking like a bodybuilder again. And Pulev will expose the fraud!
     
  4. RB1702

    RB1702 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    “His true level.” He’s still a top 2 heavyweight without question. Seem bitter.
     
  5. RB1702

    RB1702 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You sound so stupid.
     
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  6. chico g

    chico g Let's watch some Sesame Street...lmao Full Member

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    Ukansodoff?
     
  7. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hes definetely not a top 2 heavyweight. Wilder will beat him...fury will beat him....a fit ruiz will beat him again. Whyte will give him big problems. Infact any decent hitting heavyweight has a great chance against him.

    Not bitter at all. I like joshua. Want to see him do well...hes everything thats good about boxing. Wants to learn. Strong puncher. Exciting fights mostly. Prefer fury....but also like joshua as well. Actually think hes got a half decent chance against fury. As hes got a half decent chance against anyone with his size, power, strength etc. His ring iqs lacking tho. Plus he shuts down for too long when his chins checked. Massive weaknesses of his.

    The problem is hes been hyped up way and above everybody else based off of his strengths....where his weaknesses haven,t been taking into account. Them weaknesses are massive tho.

    Wilders taking a lot of heat atm...but he,d beat joshua.

    Running from ruiz all night does show his level. I can name about ten guys that wouldnt need to do that with ruiz. Ortiz, wilder, fury, whyte, povetkin, hunter, usyk, parker, even dubois and hrgovic. Etc. Ruiz would maybe get the better of one or two of them...but he wouldnt have done to any of them what he done to joshua then made him run for his life in the rematch.
     
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  8. bbjc

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  9. RB1702

    RB1702 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Joshua would smash Wilder to bits.
     
  10. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not buying it. Wilder will knock him out. If hes to run for his life against ruiz...there will be trouble ahead against wilder.
     
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  11. RB1702

    RB1702 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder who gets outboxed by Washington, rocked by Molina and has shown zero inside game and terrible defence his whole career a long with a suspect chin doesn’t last long against Joshua. AJ TKO inside 4 or 5.
     
  12. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Going by that logic Mayweather is a D level fighter
     
  13. Rizzla

    Rizzla New Member Full Member

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    Mayweather never has been dropped 4 times by a relatively compared fat midget.
     
  14. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Hell yes it would make a difference not sure Andy wins but the decision wouldn't be as wide
     
  15. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But he fought a huge chunk of his career on the back foot just like Joshua did vs Ruiz