Was Joshua beating about him being better or ruiz out of shape

The problem joshua will have is closing the gap on wilder. The gap wilder creates by backing up and using his wide stance waiting with the right hand if anyones brave enough to come in. Fury could do it....because he had the longer reach and could box his way in very well. Ortiz had some success but because he was wary of that right hand he had to be hesitant going in. He couldnt really commit to his attack. Joshua will find himself in a similar position. Needing to close the gap wilder creates. Wilder actually has the better jab unlike against fury. It will make it a lot harder for joshua. Not saying he cant win...i just favour wilder. Joshua doesnt have the boxing skills of fury or even ortiz. He,s the more powerful man but that will be moot when he finds himself trying to close that gap.

People have changed their opinion on wilder overnight. He was called a fraud for a while due to him learning on the beating up overmatched guys. But before fury beat him up....he had become a guy you couldnt beat unless you went all out on him going for the ko. After one defeat against fury hes a bum. What people arent taking into account is fury having the specific tools to completely nullify wilders very good/effective tactics. But not everyone has them specific tools fury has. I dont think joshua does. Joshuas pretty basic in his approach. Hes a sufficient boxer but his best attack is pretty much throwing a jab before springing forward with the right hand. He,s static with it. What made it hard for wilder against fury is fury can fight using both his legs and arms in unison. Joshua has to plant. That,ll be a problem against wilder.

 

I said this way before Fury dismantled Wilder - two fights in which I picked Fury to win in the way he actually did as it goes - but you can't tell me that if Washington could box his way in early doors that idea of Joshua having similar success but with more power on the shots is a ridiculous idea.

 

It's actually the opposite.

People were calling Wilder a fraud before the Fury fights and since then he's now viewed on a world level.

 

Na not true. Him beating ortiz put him in the world level category on here...rightfully so. Then after the first fury fight and the second ortiz and breazeale fight he was becoming viewed as unbeatable at being outboxed because he,ll catch you eventually. Even tho fury pretty much beat him the first time anyway by boxing him tbf theres not many like fury. But very few fancied fury in the rematch...it was viewed as wilder having his number after the last round of the first fight.

 

Looked how it turned out for washington tho. He got knocked out. You,ve got to be careful boxing with wilder. Washington wasnt as much of a threat as joshua...just like wallin wasnt as much of a threat than klitchko for fury. wilder will create a bigger gap between them because of that. And try to force joshua to close the gap on him. Joshua doesnt have the tools for it. He,ll get success but he doesnt have the tools to get in and out continually without taking some stick...unless hes fighting a smaller man. Fury couldnt do it completely succesfully the first time round. Joshua defo wont be able to do it.

A lot of furys success against wilder came from drawing wilder to throw his shots...before putting it straight on him. He was able to do that because his legs are fast enough to do it and he can fight using both his arms and legs at the same time to close the gap. Plus he had the better jab and better movement. Joshua doesnt have that.

Its a heavyweight fight with two big powerful guys....anything can happen if i was a betting man tho i,d put my money on wilder for them reasons above. People are fooled if they think wilder will be as easy for them as fury made it look.

 

Washington is both fragile and has no power. Had his early shots had more juice on them then the fight could have been very different but as it was he wasn't a threat power wise and so Wilder could keep plugging away until he landed the big shot he was always looking for.

He's a live dog because of his right hand but a fighter with technical ability who can punch - in this case Joshua - should be favourite over him IMO.

He's now the heavyweight Randall Bailey.

 

Wilder was always classed as a joke champ up until the Fury fight.

 

Not true. Beating ortiz gave him credibility. Tbf people started respecting him more before that anyway...rightfully so. Hes got 1st round ko,s against respected guys. Like breazeale, stiverne and scott. These guys aren,t good....but they are respected guys on the heavyweight circuit...you dont get called a joke if your knocking them in a round.

 

As you said hes not a threat...no power. Hence the reason wilderfought him how he did. Its like how fury fought wallin etc. These guys do slightly change tactics depending on who their fighting doesnt necessarily mean they,ll always fight the same way.

 

Wilder doesn't really change gameplan though does he? I can only think of Stiverne 1 as to him having fought at all differently. Other than that it's all swing for the fences and hope something lands.

 

He was.

And then after the Ortiz and Fury fights suddenly he wasn't accepted as a world level fighter as opposed to a fraud.

 

Need to watch him closer if thats what you think. You honestly believe a guy like breland would send him out just swinging for the fences and hoping for the best. He wouldnt have got as far as he did with just that.

Tatically wilder is actually very good. The problem is hes naturally limited. They play to his strengths very well tho.

 

Is this the same gap that Duaphas, Spilka, Washington, Ortiz, Arreola and a few others couldn’t bridge!

Joshua has the better boxing skills, better jab and better footwork, he won’t have too much trouble closing the distance on Wilder. The crucial element is Joshua’s straighter and more direct punching coupled with his wider variety of power shots. He’ll beat Wilder to the punch every time.

 

All the guys you listed got knocked out brutally. You can close that gap on him....but it usually comes at a price as these guys found out. Thats basically his tactics...he want the opponent to try to close the gap on him. Watch wilder closely. A lot of the time in his more testing fights....He,ll mostly edge up and get a decent jab off to score.

When the opponent goes forward to try to throw during a fight...he,ll back off. He does that a lot. As klitchko done as well. As fury sometimes does. What happens is at some point the opponent gets frustrated by it....and start trying to close the gap without punching eventually. Tries to make up the gap....with their feet or punching from too far out. And he gets them there. Either that or....the opponents so used to him edging up with just the jab....he chucks in the right hand unexpectatly after the opponents been frustrated by him. Its actually kind of similar to how klitchko fought but less rigid.

Its a lot more than just swinging away hoping for the best. Breland was not a terrific amatuer for nothing. Wilders a difficult man to fight with his big strengths. The problem joshua has is hes too predictable boxing just inside range....and if he goes forward to close any gap...he does it by either just punching...or moving in with his feet. Fury could do them both at the same time...thats why he was a nightmare for wilder. That and he had the better longer jab. Wilder actually has a better jab than joshuas...he just uses it aspart of his gameplan more tho. As opposed to just throwing it to dictate a fight.

 

I wholeheartedly disagree but it you want to pretend that being outboxed until landing a hail Mary punch every fight is a tactical masterclass be my guest.

Your take here won't age well. Hell it looks foolhardy now.