Was Joshua beating about him being better or ruiz out of shape

You beat me to it!

There’s no mystery here, Wilder gets roundly and comprehensively outboxed by almost everyone but the right hand has got him out of trouble til now. The difference is everyone but Fury 2 was poor quality and unable to apply the finish despite being on top of Wilder in the early rounds. Joshua won’t have any problem closing the gap and he will apply the finish because he has the power and the ability to deliver it.

 

Ruiz being overweight cost him. In shape and motivated, I think he may have pulled out a win over Joshua again.

 

Well we're now having history rewritten. Wilder is actually very good technically and comes up with cerebral gameplans we have all been missing for years.

Except Breland has said otherwise himself...

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...er-doesn-t-believe-he-beat-fury.621808/page-5

 

If you think anyone will get to the top of the game in professional boxing...just hoping to land a hail mary to win you fights...you,d be clueless.

Mark breland is a decorated amatuer who,s well known for knowing the sport. Tatically wilder is actually very good. You dont get to that level just having a big punch.

Wilder sets up that big punch...nine times out of ten through his tactics. Breland has made the most of wilder because of them tactics. Wilders raw. But tactically hes actually very good.

 

Every heavyweight is poor quality but fury. Theres a reason they we,rent able to land the finish....because their wary of that right hand. The right hand wilder sets you up with with his tactics. Surely people can see that. Hes not just throwing his right arm out snd hoping for the best

 

Breland doesn't agree with you. He's on record as talking about him being un-coachable. I've just bumped the thread talking about it as you seem so intent in trying to pretend this isn't the case.

 

You may have a point that Joshua isn't that great, but he's probably thrown better jabs in just one fight than Wilder has in all his.

 

Wilders never gonna have the skills of breland. We,re not talking about skills tho. We,re talking about tactics and wilders tactics are spot on. They,ve made a pretty limited guy hard to beat. Outside of fury they,ll all struggle against wilder.

People are dreaming if they think everyone decent will do the same to wilder as fury done.

The guys that will beat him will be able to punch their way in well. Not a lot of guys can do that...when the opponent keeps backing off when you attempt it.

 

Post up breland saying wilders uncoachable.

 

Rubbish. Joshuas jabs not great. Otherwise small ruiz wouldnt have battered him senseless.

Wilders jab is good. He just doesng use it to control a fight. He uses it to execute the tactics i m talking about.

 

Except I didn't say everyone would beat him did I? I said Joshua should be made the favourite - no more than that - in that match up due to styles. A textbook boxer will be able to get in on Wilder and someone with power like Joshua would be able to land on and hurt him.

I really don't get what you're getting bent out of shape over here. The idea that Wilder isn't a great tactician or able to box in a conventional way? His own team have said as much as that.

 

Neither, really. Ruiz was out of shape the first fight, just even more out of shape the second fight. My prediction for both fights were the same, and the first fight would have gone more similar to the second fight if AJ was smarter about it. He gave up his advantages to Ruiz and Ruiz seized the moment in the first fight, as soon as I saw AJ do that BEFORE Ruiz hurt him I was beside myself because I knew Ruiz hits hard enough and can take a punch, and that it could be about to get veerrrryy interesting.

The main thing AJ needed to not do to win EITHER fight is exactly what he did when he thought he had Ruiz out, when in fact Ruiz clearly had his head together the moment he was back to his feet.

 

I think your overestimating joshuas ability to box. Look at the ruiz first fight. People are believing joshua fought stupidly. When the truth is he was boxing like he always does. He was just being outboxed cause hes not actually a great boxer.

His jab was totally ineffective in that fight. He was being outpunched. He got caught which was fair enough can happen to anyone at heavyweight...but before that he was starting to lose that fight because hes not all that great of a boxer. Hence why they needed a whole camp focussed on running away from ruiz outpointing him. Short reached small ruiz.

 

Just picked the breazeale fight randomly to watch. 1 round. Watch what happens when breazeale tries to close the gap. A gap that wilder creates. Wilder constantly moves away everytime breazeale tries to close it. The time he tries to close it he has to start punching from too far out. Wilder constantly adjusts with his feet defensively.

Thats not a guy with no tactics. Wilder constantly does it. People that say he has poor footwork are kidding themselves.

Breazeales a 6 foot 7 inch man. Still struggling to close the gap. Joshuas a lot better than breazele...but he,ll still find himself having to put himself in the danger zone with wilder....a place you dont really want to be. How will joshua close that gap safely. He,ll have to walk in on wilder at some point. Wilder actually creates that gap himself with his defensive movement. Its a tactic. Hes a more than just a big punch.

Fury messed him up because tysons offensive movement meant he could outbox wilder on the outside. Not just that his footwork allowed himself to punch his way in. But fury csn move every which way. He has much better lsteral movement that joshua. He can also fight on the move because of it. Come in at different angles. Thats why wilder was totally nutruelised. Joshua can only really go head on effectively. Any one that can only do that is always going to be vulnerable to wilder.

 

He's an olympic gold medalist who has beaten 2 other olympic gold medalists in Wlad and Povetkin. He's not been dropping a lot of rounds by being outboxed. His boxing ability is fine. You're downplaying it to pump up Wilder.