Was Joshua beating about him being better or ruiz out of shape

I've asked for someone to dig up the video but there are multiple threads talking about Breland's comments which were harsh enough to think people thought he must have been leaving Team Wilder to make them.

 

The people that made the biggest contribution to making Wilder are the guys that chose his opponents.

They didn't make a mistake until Fury and one can forgive them given what they saw in his two comeback fights.

He was very carefully matched.

 

as fury fans like to pount out
superior tactics

 

I can actually see what you mean here. Wilder's as crude as they come, but he and his team know what works for them and put their all into achieving it at the expense of anything else. I wouldn't quite go so far as to call Wilder tactically good. A lot of the success of his tactics have come from his choice of opponent, although to be fair to him a lot has also come from his own innate confidence in gunning for that one knock out shot and having the discipline and toughness to land it no matter what.

You're wrong about Joshua though. Ruiz wasn't winning that rematch no matter what shape he came in.

 

Not true. Joshuas success is not coming from his boxing skills. There coming because hes an extremely powerful big man.

The old guys you mentioned cant keep up with his youth more than his boxing ability. I can prove that by this....anytime joshuas faced a guy in his prime....hes changed his tactics or been knocked out. Whyte...parker and ruiz the second fight after being leathered the first time fighting the same way he always does.

Parker and ruiz the second time...he ran. Whyte...he was as amatuer as you,ll get in his boxing skills.

Joshua has strengths in height/reach and size. So obviously with them even as a basic boxer which he is....he,s gonna do allright up to a certain level. He looked basic against klitchko...go back and watch the first five rounds. Klitchko showed him a few different looks. Joshua looked like an amatuer in comparison...pawing with the jab etc..till the penny dropped that he had to up the pace...as soon as he did he got success. It was simply a left punch step forward two that got him success. The problem agsinst wilder is throwing that one going straight forward leaves him vulnerable to wilders right hand. Fury came in at angles. Joshua doesnt have the tools to do that.

People are judging wilders boxing skills without looking at their gameplan. Their looking saying look his jab doesnt dictate fights like lennox,s did. But wilders not trying to dictate fights with it. Hes trying to frustrate opponents with it...so the opponent can walk into a right hand down the line mostly. They can do that because wilders fast on the move. His feet are actually quite fast for a heavyweight. Hes jabbing them. When they come forward to reply....hes nullifying it with his defensive movement....constantly adjusting to frustrate them. Klitchko done something similar. Go watch the breazeale fight. Tell me what happens everytime breazele goes forward to throw.

 

You're so far off base here it's funny.

Joshua can box. I can't believe you're downplaying that whilst talking up Wilder's tactical ability.

Anyway I wish you well in your support of Wilder and hopefully we get to see Joshua Wilder at some point.

 

True holler. But they all are. Their all mostly picking guys made for them. But most guys are made for wilder tbh...because not many heavyweights can close the gap well nowadays. Plus he is actually very good at making that gap. His feet are faster than most heavyweights out there today.

 

Did you watch breazele v wilder. What happened everytime breazeale went forward to throw.

Joshus doesnt have the footwork to close that gap without putting himself in the danger zone against wilder. Maybe he can fight it out from there and win it....my moneys on him getting knocked out badly tho.

 

You need to take into account the opposition. The first time he faced a top quality guy in their prime he lost.

 

Spot on ovah most of that. Not sure i 100 percent agree with joshua would have won if ruiz was in shape...but you might be right with that. Or wilder just has an innate confidence to land that right hand no matter what. Where was that in the fury 2 fight.

He actually sticks to a gameplan/tactics pretty well. People are getting confused because he looks incredibly crude after hes hurt someone with it. When he goes all guns blazing throwing anything he can to get them out of there. Wilders just not a conventional boxer...he doesnt have the tools for it. But brelands actually done a terrific job with him considering. And hes a better fighter for it. Wilder is sticking to a gameplan....one that uses his strengths very well. Same as klitchko used to do.

Thats why they both had absolutely no answers to fury. Klitchko couldnt even throw a punch. And wilder didnt have a clue what to do either because they both box to specific tactics. Look at joshua ruiz one. Joshua got leathered. But he at no point was clueless. He just got hit too many times.

If you nuetralise wilders tactics you,ll beat him up because unlike klitchko he isnt conventional. But theres not many out there today that can nuetralise them...cause barring fury they all come in at straight lines including joshua.

 

But that guy in his prime....could come in at angles. Could match wilders footspeed. Could come in using both his legs and arms at the same time. Had a longer reach than him. Was taller thsn him and could outbox him on the outside cause he hsd good lateral movement.

You tell me another prime guy today that can do that.

 

Every time? The fight didn't even last a round and Breazeale isn't known to be able to box. He wasn't anything as a amateur and has shown little in that regard as a pro. A stationary target not know for his technical ability got waxed early trying to rush a big puncher. To compare him to Joshua is flat out ridiculous.

Now why are you so insistent on having a nonsensical debate?

 

Its not about the opponent. Its about looking at wilders tactics and how he creates a gap...that he forces the opposition to close. Fury derailed him because fury could outbox him from the outside because he has great movement...attacks at angles longer jab etc. Joshua will need to bridge that same gap breazeale tried to bridge. My question is how does he do it. Wilders feet are quicker than joshuas. At some point joshua will need to close it in a straight line. The exact position wilder wants you to be in.

Watch the arreola fight...same again. Its not about the opponent. Tell me what wilder does everytime arreola goes forward to punch. One opponent 6 foot 7 in breazeale the other 6 foot or whatever. See how wilder creates the gap or keeps the gap. How does joshua bridge it knowing he comes in pretty static in straight lines.

What happens when you close that gap....you,ve got wilders right hand waiting for you. Their creating it for that very reason.

 

Wilder's tactics and you used the Breazeale fight. OK. Then you use his struggles with a shot to **** Arreola. OK mate.

Watch the many fights in which fighters jab their way in against Wilder. There are plenty of them. You're clearly a fan and that's fine just don't expect me to go along with what you want to be the case. I'm sure Dubblechin will be keen though.

 

All the guys that jabbed their way in against him barring fury got knocked out by him. They cant get anything really effective off on him often because they,ve got to be wary of that right hand.

As i,ve stated before fury never because his footworks better...comes in at angles...has the longer jab....can throw punches on the move. Joshuas footworks slower than wilders. He comes in in straight lines.

You pick the fight buddy. See if we can see the same pattern. We can pick the ortiz fight if you want. A guy skilled enough to get inside on him. Not watched it for ages...but i bet you can see the same things.

Ortiz is a counterpuncher...probably the best one in the division tbh. Look back at the jennings ortiz fight. Jennings landed a lot more punches than ortiz did that night...and still ended up getting beat up. You,d be a fool to lead off on ortiz. Wilder doesnt. Watch the fight. Look out for what wilder does. I ve not seen it since but i bet i can identify te same thing. A gap. He wants ortiz to close. Which i think he done decently...he just couldnt get him out of there cause he had to be wary of that right hand everytime he went in.