Was Joshua beating about him being better or ruiz out of shape

Like someone else posted this is a nonsensical debate. Joshua's jab can be pretty good. Wilders is pathetic. Especially considering how many (easy!) fights he's had.

 

You're something special. The guys who jabbed their way in didn't have Joshua's power so what I'm saying is if he did that then he has a great chance at stopping Wilder where they couldn't.

C'mon put it together, you can't be this dense.

 

You,ll find out if they do fight. I m telling you now joshua will go in in a straight line....and get battered for it. If joshua approaches that fight like he usually does...he,ll get knocked out.

Joshua will need to first close that gap that wilder creates. Lets say with a jab then step in with the right hand. He,ll find it hard enough closing the gap. If he manages it. He,ll be hit with wilders big right before he gets his own big right off. Its common sense. Wilder wont fight him toe to toe...he rarely does. He uses his movement and his fast feet to give him the advantage over opponents. Creates the gap with it...that they then need to bridge then uses his jab to score and get opponents chasing waiting with the big right hand.

Thats why wilders actually quite hard to beat unless you,ve got movement as good as furys. Angles and speed with a jab he can throw on the move.

Wilders got the quickest feet in the division outside of fury. Joshuas too slow of foot to do to him what fury did. He,ll find it hard closing the gap like the rest of them have. Even 6 foot 7 breazeale.

 

Wilder has a terrific jab....he just doesnt use it like most guys do ie to control a fight with it. He uses it to score and get opponents chasing him. Go watch his fights.

 

Wilder has fought one top tier opponent and got his ass handed to him. I just hope he doesn't tuck tail after the next hiding he gets. His matchmaking was what duped people like you into thinking he was something he wasn't.

 

Not true. He knocked ortiz out twice. How many guys are in this mythical top tier?

He knocked out breazeale, stiverne, scott in one round. Although these guys are not top tier their respected guys on the heavyweight circuit. Your no mug if your taking them out in a round. He knocked fury down twice in the first fight. As much as people want wilder to be a total fraud...its not really true. Hes fought and beat different looks. Hes blew away guys respected names.

Although few names get respected nowadays because we can beat them sitting in our living room nowadays. The truth is tho if your knocking out breazeale, scott and stiverne in one round and knock out ortiz twice...your doing something right.

Fury just had the specific tools to nuetralise the tactics i m talking about. If you can do that wilder only has a small punchers chance but very few of them have the tools fury does.

 

For the record i ll be rooting for joshua if he ever does fight wilder.

 

Try to convince someone else that a 40 year old (at least) Cuban amateur never was turned pro never was who's best win was years before against Bryant ****ing Jennings was a great win.

It was another calculated risk to continue Wilder's path of least resistance through the heavyweight landscape. If Ortiz had been younger or coming off an impressive looking win rather than going the distance with Scott and labouring to a KO over journeyman Dave Allen then I don't think that fight happens once let alone twice.

Wilder's shitty resume has been done to death on these boards. Why are you bothering me with this stupid ****?

 

Same rubbish.

This guys no good that guys no good etc etc. Ortiz is a great fighter. One of the most skilled men in the division. 40 years oldfair enough...but knocking him out like wilder did twice is impressive. Knocking out the others in one round is impressive. He wasnt struggling with these guys...he was dispatching them in less than 3 minutes.

 

Cool story. Would recommend.

Quite the imagination that Cuba's long term number 2 amateur who's best win was Bryant Jennings several years and courses of heart medication earlier was a 'great' fighter' having his first title shot at 40 years old. Awe inspiring stuff.

 

Dude I agree with you that Wilder's resume is iffy.
And he avoided mandatories like The Plague.
And his ability to box is limited-he relies mainly on length & athleticism to constantly try to drop the right hand bomb.
However he did beat decent fighters sometimes in dramatic ways.
And a boxer who has sveral unusual traits-great power, length, determination, power late, speed...Can go very far. Especially given that the sport allows victory not only by rounds or counting up all developed boxing talents, but knocking guys spark out.

But whay are you being unilaterally nasty to people who disagree with you?
Would you do this in person to someone who seemingly politely disagrees with you?
This is bad just for your being able to get along with folks here, be respected-& persuade anyone that you are correct.

Be the rare person with cojones big enough to repent & reform.

 

Long term number 2 amatuer. You do know that the cuban amatuer system is much revered. Number 2 is a very good fighter.

You also do know that boxing plays a large part in boxing regarding his title shot

 

Failed a drugs test, kept jumping around from promoter to promoter. Only fought one fighter that anyone really rates and was stopped twice. 40 years old and on heart medication when that happens. Great indeed.

You're making a fool of yourself hugging Wilder's nuts like this. If I were so inclined to try to build him up I'd admit his entire resume was handpicked to protect and enhance his reputation but say that I think his athleticism/power would have been enough to see him make the jump up in class and that would have improved him immeasurably skill wise had he done that earlier.

However I couldn't really give a **** about trying to give the benefit of the doubt to a man who had to be tricked into finally stepping up to face a man who had dropped a welterweight in weight after a several year alcohol, food and drug binge. Good day to you sir.

 

Yeah good day to you sir.

 

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