Was Joshua beating about him being better or ruiz out of shape

I think Fury slapping the biatch out of Wilder was worse. I don't think Wilder got hit clean on the chin once, it was all cuffing and slapping shots and still Wilder got rag dolled.

I don't think Wilder went down once swinging.

 

I struggle to call 10 of the fighters Wilders faced 'opponents' as that implies that they had some sort of chance against him as opposed to being handpicked 'club fighters' dragged up from the lower divisions and usually not even ranked.

 

Agreed and if Wilder had of took the opportunity to fight Wlad when he had the chance or dismissed the Meldonium BS with Povetkin, we would be talking about Wilder a whole lot less as both would have beaten Wilder.

The difference in ring IQ between WK/AP and Wilder is Stratospheric.

 

No ones a great fighter when they hit their 40's except maybe BHop who's a genetic freak (or was dosed up to the gills on Super Soldier serum), and in both fights, Ortiz was handing Wilder his ass and got tired/sloppy. Plus David Price did a far better job on an in shape Dave Allen than Ortiz ffs. Oh and let's not forget the excruciating distance fight against Scuba (KO'ed by the sonic boom from Wilders RH) Scott.

 

You,ve agreed with that...joshua beating 2 olympic champions means hes the goods....then in the next post said no fighter at 40 is a great fighter. Povetkin and klitchko. 39 and 42 years old.

 

Jesus ****ing H Christ, talk about twisting the narrative! Povetkin and Wlad were great fighters, both now well past their best but, still capable of giving any top 10 a tough out if not winning. Where's the difficulty in that?

 

Put that juiced up bodybuilder in there with another overweight fighter, tell him to stand there and trade. And I reckon your looking at another obese world heavyweight champion like Ruiz. lol bring Butterbean out of retirement!

 

Regarding the ring iq. Nothing wrong with wilders ring iq....hes criticised for it...but its mainly because hes fighting to a gameplan. Their goal is to knock the opponent out and their implementing it by following the gameplan. People are stupid if they believe hes just going out their without a clue hoping for the best.

As i,ve said pick a fight of his against any decent named opponent barring fury 2. We,ll analyse it...He does the same stuff...thats because hes fighting to a gameplan.

Klitchko was the same btw.

Go watch both of them. They actually do similar things. Watch their feet when an opponent tries to go on the offence with them. They back off. Thats what makes them hard to fight against. Create a gap between them and the opponent. Watch the breazeale fight. Wilder constantly adjusts his feet on the defensive. Its good tactics.

They fight to wilders strengths. Wilder is actually more tactical than people realise...their just not picking up on it.

 

He hasn’t fought any other decent named opponents other than Fury 2 so you can’t analyse jack!!

I’ll repost Wilders resume again if you like!

 

Does ortiz not count. Weather people like it or not....the rankings are what they are. Wilders had a lot of wins against top 20-top 30 guys a lot of them first round knockouts. 2 knockouts of ortiz who is a proven top ten guy.

Fed up of hearing clueless people call him clueless. Thats why the wont analyse him because thry might actually find out hes not all that clueless afterall. Must be frustrating being a fighter and trainer nowadays. Guys that know about boxing, guys that are out their achieving being completely rubbished by guys that have never picked up a boxing glove before.

Its a boxing forum...so i understand sometimes we criticise etc...but come on...coming on saying the guys rubbish....i dont need to anzlyse him cause hes not beating anyone isnt bringing much to a forum.

Wilders knocked out respected guys on the heavyweight circuit in one round. Hes knocked over olympians in one round. Hes knocked out a top ten guy twice. Hes knocked down the best heavyweight in the division twice. He wss labelled the hardest hitting heavyweight ever before the fury second fight. I dont agree with it...but there was a lot of people claiming it

 

The juries out on Ortiz, he hasn’t actually beaten anyone of note to justify his standing within the sport and there’s still that doubt over just how old he is!
However. . .
Fight 1 Ortiz was advised not to fight by his Doctor due to his medication yet he still outboxed Wilder and quite probably would have knocked him out had the Ref and fight Dr not illegally intervened.

Fight 2, once again Wilder was completely outboxed and not because he was biding his time either! Ortiz was 3 years older than fight 1 and still hadn’t beaten anyone of note to justify his standing in the sport.

Wilder HAS NOT fought lots of Top 20 Top 30 guys unless you’re referring to 230 and 330!

DEONTAY WILDER PROFESSIONAL FIGHT RECORD
Fight Nō - Opponent - Rank at Time of Fight
1 - Ethan Cox - Unranked
2 - Shannon Gray - Unranked
3 - Richard Green - Unranked
4 - Joseph Rabotte - 393rd
5 - Charles Brown - Unranked
6 - Kelsey Arnold - Unranked
7 - Travis Allen - Unranked
8 - Jerry Vaughn - Unranked
9 - Ty Cobb - 399th
10 - Alvaro Morales - Unranked
11 - Dustin Nichols - Unranked
12 - Shannon Caudle - Unranked
13 - Harold Sconiers - Unranked
14 - Dan Seehan - Unranked
15 - Deandrey Abron - Unranked
16 - Reggie Penna - Unranked
17 - Damon Reed - 304th
18 - D Alexander - Unranked
19 - Daniel Cota - 489th
20 - David Long - Unranked
21 - Marlon Hayes - 368th
22 - Jesse Oltmanns - 492nd
23 - Owen Beck - Unranked
24 - Kertson Manswell - 310th
25 - Damon McCreary - 357th
26 - Kevin Price - Unranked
27 - Matthew Greer - 325th
28 - Audley Harrison - 136th
29 - Siarhei Liakhovich - 43rd
30 - Nicolas Firtha - 121st
31 - Malik Scott - 86th
32 - Jason Gavern - 194th
33 - Bermaine Stiverne - 5th - Wins WBC World Title
34 - Eric Molina - 37th
35 - Johan Duhaupas - 34th
36 - Artur Szpilka - 24th
37 - Chris Arreola - 43rd
38 - Gerald Washington - 41st
39 - Bermaine Stiverne - Unranked
40 - Luis Ortiz - 4th
41 - Tyson Fury - 4th - Draw
42 - Domonic Breazeale - 13th
43 - Luis Ortiz - 9th
44 - Tyson Fury - 1st - Lost by Knock Out losing WBC World Title
45 - Tyson Fury - WBC Heavyweight Champion - Scheduled

 

Where are these rankings coming from. Malik scott 86th. Theres not 85 guys in the world that would beat scott.

Dave allen is 33rd in the ibo rankings. We all know their corrupt. According to them rankings dave allen is better than.....liakovich, scott, molina, dauphaus, arreola, washington and yet they,d all spank him.

Regardless tho...hes fought and beat guys ranked in the top 20, 30,s and 40,s a lot of them by knockout. Hes knocked out the 13th rank by first round ko. Hes knocked out the 4th rank twice. Hes knocked down the number one...twice. hes knocked out the 5th rank in a round. You dont do that if your useless.

 

The rank of his opponent at the time he fought them

He’s fought 3 men who were in the top 10
Stiverne who was a paper champion
Ortiz
Fury

I’m not saying he’s useless but one look at his 44 fight record and you can’t tell me he’s been fighting quality opponents!

 

Its not really about who hes fought tho. I know his records not great. But tbf to him hes dispatched them in the manner hes meant to have. Guys like breazeale in one round is impressive. I could see if he was losing to them or really struggling but tbf hes smashed a lot of them.

Scott, breazeale, stiverne etc are decent enough fighters. To ice them in a round is good going for anyone...and beating ortiz twice makes him legitimate.

Your not doing that with just a big punch...he,d have been found out before now. The argument from me anyway is wilder is using good tactics to get the results he has. Tactics that most people cant see...they still think hes just throwing the right hsnd with no thought into it.

 

But those opponents don't have the the ability of AJ. Aj is limited but he has great fundamentals for a heavyweight. Low IQ but his balance and ability to string combos eclipse everyone of Wilder's previous opponents bar Fury. AJ is polished and can attack better then Fury and is a big puncher. AJ has to draw out the right hand or Wilder's jab. Wilder will let it go but he is very open after he does. And that is his problem. Wilder is only dangerous on the outside, AJ when matched up against Wilder is dangerous to some extent on the outside with his power shots and deadly at the mid and inside.

Wilder is very good and measuring and using his right hand to keep fighters at bay, but he is open on the counter. Dangerously open, hell wven his jabs are pulled back lazily. AJ could even try to counter over the top of Wilder jab with a fast right hand and he could destroy him. Wilder chin is certainly suspect. AJ's is as well, but AJ will fight more smarter then Wilder will.