Was Julio Cesar Chavez "shot" at the time of his 1st fight with De La Hoya?

Quickly on the decline. He had "lost" to Whitaker, then Randall officially. Then in his next fight was on his way to losing to Randall again. 34 years old is old for any fighter. Then add in over 100 fights? You do the math...

 

I disagree, Oscar fought the best p4p fighters in 2 different decades and NO ONE i mean no one outclassed him even in losses, he was extemley close on the scorecards even in losing efforts. Chavez while great i dont think he could handle a master boxer like oscar. oscar fluid sharp combinations would bounce off a charging julio chavez head all night, and oscar had too much smarts and durability to get worn down by a smaller fighter like that. it would be an extremley close fight but i like oscar by close decision or cuts stoppage.

 

I happen to think whitaker gets overated around here. he was only on a small level above a de la hoya if that. whitaker's resume is not that impressive for a p4p great, and when I hear people picking him over the likes of roberto duran and ike williams, i have to laugh.

 

Chavez never suffered from Cuts until very late in his career.

 

Most that pick him to beat Duran and Williams do so on his fighting ability, not because of his resume. If someone claims that Whitaker has a better resume than Duran or Williams, then that indeed is laughable. But if they are picking him because they think h2h he is better, that's not really laughable.

Oh, and Whitaker would never arguably lose in his prime to a past prime Whitaker, Quartey or Mosley.

 

Stylistically Whitaker is THE worst matchup for Williams in LW history. Nobody's claiming he had a more stacked resume, but he was definitely more consistent(however, that goes hand in hand with having less fights and being more prepared for most) in his prime and stylistically, as I just said, holds a very clear edge.

Someone looking to get into a punch-out with Williams is likely not going to be too successful(though he was stopped on seperate occasions by the other top LW's of the era like Montgomery and Carter), but someone who can force him to fight their fight and box(which Ike was not often opposed to doing, as he was a skilled boxer) would be at an advantage. How do you explain a puncher like Ike having as mediocre a KO ratio as he did, with that kind of power and finishing ability? The fighters that came to him played into his hand, the ones that didn't, as long as they had the skill to cope, did not. Whitaker had more than enough skill.

 

I agree with you Q. I see Pernell as a crafty, sturdy lightweight but his opposition isn't breathtaking by any means.

 

But Ayala's opposition was?

 

Lets take this from the top.... Oscar wasnt no master boxer, very good boxer, yes... master boxer, no.

2ndly.... nobody`s combo`s would be bouncing off prime Chavez`s head all night long, prime JCC had great defence & slipped & blocked most punches, there were always a few that got thru to no avail (granite chin) but prime JCC never had punches bounce off his head all night long & certainly if there is a man capable of doing this then Oscar is not that man.

Lastly... when was the last time prime Chavez was even cut let alone cut bad enough to be TKOd...... believe me when I tell you this.... THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN TO PEAK JCC VS SOMEONE LIKE DLH.

Ps. My personal opinion of Delahoya is that even tho he did the right thing by the fans & fought the best out there & was a genuine warrior, he was no ATG fighter, he was a very good fighter, 1 of the best of his era but to me, as far as what he did in the ring, I struggle to think of him as a true legend in the same mould as Chavez.
His charisma & fan base meant that he was the SRL of his era but without the ATG ability IN THE RING.

:thumbsup

 

Chavez ws not a great fighter to begin with at 147 ... then he got gifts over Whitaker and Randall ... he was not shot for Oscar but shopworn ... the rematch proved it when he basically quit rather than get knocked out ...

Chavez was a great fighter at 130 and a warrior at 135 but age and size took it's toll as he went up higher in weight ...

 

People will have different opinions as to when Chavez became shot. I would rather come to the conclusion that he was safely shot for the Tszyu fight. Probably for the second De La Hoya fight as well, but he did perform pretty well on that ocassion. He done brilliantly at long range. He tricked De La Hoya for periods of the fight. Instead of coming forward looking to get inside, he sat back and countered him. De La Hoya's head was rocked back by Chavez's jab on a number of ocassions. Only during the 8th round did the fight develop into a full scale war on the inside. De La Hoya's best work was done when he got on his toes, boxed, then rattled off combinations.

 

I totally disagree. DLH is an atg not in the same league as Chavez but definitly an atg. If he isn´t one than guys like Mayweather, Jones, Toney, Hopkins and so on aren´t one either.

 

chavez was 33 when he foughts sweet pea and was 13 years into his career. he was nowhere near his peak and was also fighting above hsi natural weight

 

spot on. de la hoya is a candidate for the top 30 of all time at best. Chavez is a strong candidate for the top 5 of all time

but if he is not an ATG, the names that you mention cannot be ATGS is well

chavez is the greatest boxer of the last 20 years