Was Julio Cesar Chavez "shot" at the time of his 1st fight with De La Hoya?

In a way--YES! The 'Kamau' fight of '95 was Chavez at his finale of greatness......

MR.BILL

 

True. The mental aspect has not been mentioned enough thus far.

 

Randall and Whitaker proved that he was. Why do you think Oscar avoided Tszyu like the plague and chose the easy route instead?

 

Forget records... they dont always tell the whole story.

If Chavez wasnt shot then at very least he was somewhere between shot & past prime.

He never looked any good from the Whitaker fight onwards, sure he beat a couple of decent fighters but he never beat anyone that he wasnt expected to beat even in this advanced phase of his career & he also lost to a guy that if not closing in on being shot he wouldnt have lost to in Randall, even being decked for the 1st time in his life in rd 11.

His friend & countryman Morales was 47-1 going into the 3rd Barrera fight... fast-forward 4 yrs & he is now 48-6.... the decline has got to start somewhere & the record either goes with it or not long after depending on who you fight & DLH was too big & all wrong for that version of JCC.

:thumbsup

 

Oscar choose no easy route. He eventually fought fighters equally as dangerous who brought money to the table. Trinidad and Quartey at welterweight. Even his first fight at the weight was against Whitaker. Maybe not a devastating puncher, but damn tough to beat.

 

I remember Chavez knocked DLH down a couple of time while sparring. Chavez was at the time 27 and DLH was 17.

 

around 1994-96 julio still had the ability i believe to compete with the best. he just seemed to lose a lot of desire when things werent going his way. like tyson and duran in the later years

 

He avoided Kostya Tszyu at jr. welters the way you avoid women at nightclubs.

 

He moved up and took on more dangerous and tricky opponents. Whitaker, Quartey, and Trinidad.

Get outta here.

 

He moved up because he knew what kind of power Tszyu had in his right hand. Ask Zab. If Tszyu had been a shot 39 years old, rest assured that Oscar would have set his sights on that IBF belt. :hi:

 

Tyszu brung nothing to the table in terms of marquee value. De La Hoya took equally tough fights with better rewards. Whitaker, Quartey, and Trinidad.

What you doing on the 'classic' anyway? Get back to the 'general' where your biased views belong.

 

When Chavez drew with Miguel A. Gonzalez in 1998, I knew Chavez had seen better days and better lays.... BUT! His 1999 loss to Willy Wise was the killer..... In 2000, J.C. Chavez had NO BIDNESS fighting a peaked Kostya Tszyu.... That was criminal.... Cheers.....

MR.BILL

 

Too much risk, too little reward. Oscar would have gotten his Golden Ass kicked by a superior puncher, who was more skilled. Sweetheart, I have forgotten more about the career of the Golden Transvestite than you know now, have ever known,. or will ever know, and you can include the knowledge and wisdom of any three of your buddies who watch the fights with you, and your Biological as well, I'll school all of you, and when I **** on sunday AM, with my morning paper, I wipe away more Classic Boxing Knowledge than you would acquire if you were stuck on a deserted island with Bert Sugar for 10 years.

Class Dismissed.:hi:

 

The content of your post proves that you carry no class or manners. We were talking boxing, then you suddenly went off the rails first.

:bolt

 

Not shot but past his prime.