was julio cesar chavez sr the most overrated fighter ever?

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  1. cereal monotony

    cereal monotony Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    so, i recently watched a couple of fights with julio cesar chavez against rocky lockridge and roger mayweather (the rematch). close, competitive and entertaining fights. but what i noticed was that in scoring the rounds, i gave lockridge a slight edge over chavez...and mayweather was actually winning the rematch before quitting on his stool before the 11th round. in both cases, guys were able to outbox chavez, land effective combos that hurt him and backed him up. then i remembered how meldrick taylor had completely dominated the first chavez fight before richard steele showed his ass. and moreso, how sweetpea whitaker had taken chavez to school.

    chavez threw a lotta punches and applied a lotta pressure. but he wasn't a heavy puncher and he lacked a lotta fundamentals. and second tier guys gave him a lotta trouble.

    I know chavez sr is a big mexican boxing hero and all that, but IMO, chavez sr was one of the most overrated fighters of all time.

    any thoughts?
     
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  2. puncherschance

    puncherschance Boxing Addict Full Member

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    no.
     
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  3. 4Rounder

    4Rounder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nope
     
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  4. Florez

    Florez Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nah.
     
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  5. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He is overrated but probably not the most of all time.
     
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  6. SOUTHERMOST

    SOUTHERMOST Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No cigar, I will always defend the the pit bull Chavez.
     
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  7. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pretty overrated. His 2 biggest fights in his prime, Taylor and Pea, results are results but if those 2 turned out to be losses because lets face it he was 3 seconds away from a loss, history would look at his career a lot more differently.
     
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  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    That wasn't his prime, not even really close for Whitaker. Taylor may have been the tail end of it, Whitaker certainly not and certainly not at welter. He didn't carry welter well. He was prime in the Rosario fight back in 87 at lightweight... and those abilities hung on or a couple, at most a few, years.

    No, he is not overrated.
     
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  9. reed_man02

    reed_man02 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    dont mind him, he just mad at mexicans because a mexican destroyed his hero. :yep
     
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  10. chino2dapiapimp

    chino2dapiapimp WBC Fecarbox champ Full Member

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    What fundamentals did he lack?
     
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  11. HellSpawn86

    HellSpawn86 "My heart goes out to you!" Full Member

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    :lol: Funny, Manny Steward, one of the greatest trainers, has been interviewed and gone on record to say he was supposed to be training Chavez he learned more training techniques the other way around. He even went on to say Chavez could fight on the outside, but everyone else was too fast so he never did it.

    Chavez still has the most championship fights and victories of any champion in history.
     
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  12. JM22

    JM22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No.
     
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  13. JM22

    JM22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Chavez was not prime when he faced Whitaker not to mention he was not even close he's prime weight.
     
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  14. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Very overrated fighter, due to his 88-0 records at some point.

    Some people have him inside top 15 :shock:

    His speed is far from great. His power is not very explosive either. He has big heart though. But heart can only take him so much.

    So many guys from 135 to 147 who would beat him H2H.
     
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  15. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    JC SUPERSTAR is the mostly underrated by noobs who DKSAB. Some of these clowns describe Chavez as a "head first plodder" :lol:
     
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