Was Kid Gavilan a better fighter P4P than George Foreman?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Gavilan was ranked 37th in a list of the greatest 50 P4P fighters in the last 50 years in the ring mag in 1996, Foreman was ranked 38th in the same list, but which of these two was really the better fighter?

    Gavilan info:
    Quality of competition: 10
    Bouts v top 50 fighters: 3
    Why he was on this list: Style, stamina, chin and quality of competition.
    What he could have done to better his ranking: Avoided Sugar Ray Robinson.

    Foreman info:
    Quality of competition; 9
    Why he`s here: Because he`s history. And he could punch a bit, too.
    What he could have done to better his ranking: Lost his plane ticket to Zaire.
     
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  2. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

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    Yes.
     
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  3. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Definitely.
     



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  4. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hope so
     
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  5. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes ...but not by much ....they’re both among the top ten in their respective divisions.....they were both beaten in their primes ...by superior fighters
     
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  6. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One was arguably a top 10 P4P fighter, the other wouldn't be in top 500.
     
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  7. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why he`s here: Because he`s history. And he could punch a bit, too.[/QUOTE]
    Biased much ?
     
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  8. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I would not rank Kid Gavilan higher than Emile Griffith....would you?
     
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Bit bizarre that Ring's idea of "improving" these fighters in history's eyes is a pair of ducks. I know they're probably tongue in cheek, but surely "pace himself in Zaire" would have been much better for Foreman, some **** like that.
     
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  10. Bujia

    Bujia Active Member Full Member

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    I would.
     
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  11. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Biased much ?[/QUOTE]
    Quote The ring magazine 1996.
     
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  12. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, I feel Ali on that form had his number, his counters were too quick and he took Foreman`s shots well.
     
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  13. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Griffith was ranked 29th in the same list.
     
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  14. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears Ducking Regional Manager Full Member

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    It is worth noting, you cannot even find one writer, even on Gavilan's single worst night, who was saying Foreman could even beat him, despite the fact that Foreman is now considered FAR bigger than Gavilan. It just goes to show you, size isn't everything.
     
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  15. Bujia

    Bujia Active Member Full Member

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    So what exactly is Boxed Ears? A person? Or just some advanced trolling algorithm? The latter seems more likely, actually.
     
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