Was Lennox a 'dirty' fighter?

i dont think he's a dirty fighter. he sometimes uses dirty tactics (allowable), but that doesnt mean he's dirty. its not his habit, imo

 

Yeah, a bit. He held and hit, leant on guys and did a few dirty tricks, but no more than most IMO.

But watch the Grant clip. BOTH guys are holding each other behind the head.

One actually decides to punch while it's happening, one decides to stand there getting walloped.

You tell me which one is most likely to win????

 

Couple of things about that clip.

Yep, he was holding Bruno with his left and hitting...

But Bruno had Lewis on the ropes, and was holding and hitting (with the uppercut, look at Brunos left hand), and didn't capitalise. Lewis had Bruno on the ropes, and by **** did he capitalise.

And I'd forgotten what a good left hook it was to start that finish. It was a ****ing beauty.

 

He had his dirty moments. I dont classify him as dirty though.

 

Not squeaky clean no, but no more than almost every fighter.
I think he was perfectly capable of being quite physically rough with opponents in there when he needed to be.

It's a real shame there was no reverse angle shot, where we could see exactly how the punch landed.

 

No.

End of thread.

 

Lennox did that laying/blinding left hand move like against Bruno because he didn't know how to set em up & whip em with the right hand under Davenport and Correa. He abused leaning all his upper body weight on opponents and never payed for it all the way till the Tyson fight - Evander had to hold him up in the air in the end of the first round and in front of Arthur Mercante Jr and the whole MSG crowd just to keep him honest from doing so. Anyway, I wouldn't call him dirty like Big Daddy Bowe hitting on the back of the head, low blowing, holding and hitting, Rock Newman pulling opponents out of the ring ( Tillary) or like some that Bowe faced in Golota, Gonzales and quite so many others. Even Tyson was dirty as hell rocking opponents along the ropes and in close with elbows...

 

So am I!

Low blows and the rabbit punching.

In the Cintron fight he had an excuse because Kermit was a scared little ***** and was making it impossible (for the most part) for Tony to him him legally.

 

Not by the standards of almost any other boxer. Certainly no more dirty than the rest of the 1990s' "big four" (Bowe, Tyson and most of all Holyfield).

 

What do you mean "most of all Holyfield"? People should present facts or STFU in spite of throwing bombs in the air!

 

1. Headbutting. I can hardly think of a fight where Holyfield didn't lead with his head.

2. Low blows. Especially in combination with the above.

3. Tackling opponents after the bell when he was getting embarassed.

4. Rubbing his head into the eyes of his opponents.

By the way, Ali is overrated.

 

1. Headbutting. That is just a famous, jealous and infamous attack against Evander. Tyson, Rahman, Maddalone, Ibragimov, they all used their head too accidentally or not and payed for it... There is no other fighter on whom you can use that line against Vander, Lionel Byarm, Eric Winbush, Mark Rivera, Tyrone Booze, Rick Myers, Jeff Meachem, Anthony Davis, Chisanda Mutti, Jesse Shelby, Terry Mims, Dwight Qawi, Mike Brothers, Henry Tillman, Rickey Parkey, Ossie Ocasio, Carlos De Leon, James Tillis, Pinklon Thomas, Michael Dokes, Adilson Rodrigues, Alex Steward, Seamus McDonagh, Buster Douglas, George Foreman, Bert Cooper, Larry Holmes, Riddick Bowe, Michael Moorer, Ray Mercer, Vaughn Bean, Lennox Lewis, John Ruiz, Chris Byrd, James Toney, Larry Donald, Lou Savarese... They started complaining even before the fight and specially when Evander exchanged big punches with them and they got hurt... Hardly remember someone like him, let me help ya then... Tyson, Bowe, Hopkins, Clottey, Hatton, Chavez Sr, Vinny Paz, Haugen, Tapia, et cetera...

2. I just remember a flagrant low blow against Michael Dokes in the end of the first round 1989.

3. Tackling opponents, do you say? I remember Holy lifting Lennox up in the air for that all that leaning on his back, I remember Holy holding Ruiz when he was put down on his knees ( 2nd fight) and I remember someone takling Holyfield lately but not the other way around.

4. Many have said so but again, because they were trying to make the ref take points out of Holy or make Vander back away for that reason - all after the Tyson fight: Lewis leaning all over Holy and against the ropes 2nd fight, Maddalone, Rahman, Savarese, Ibragimov... All pussies that didn't want to fight.

Please stop hating this boxing Gentleman, always was and always will be.

 

Exactly. Isnt much else to say, other than Lennox was one of the GOAT.
If you can't decipher the difference outlined by TFFP you should log out and shoot yourself:good

 

Don't you find it a bit suspicious that Holyfield got so many complaints for this? And, despite the fact that it clearly only ever caused trouble, people repeatedly headbutted Holyfield?

The low blow against Tyson, which just happened to come soon before the knockdown, is another notable example. I seem to remember low blows in his later fights, but most of those were so soporific I could well have dreamt them.

At the end of the first round. He could have at least waited until the end of the first round to make a complaint to the ref, rather than get Arthur Mercante Jnr. pissed at him.

I forgot to mention when he swung at Lewis when they went down in their first fight. He certainly seemed a lot braver on the ground that night than when standing.

Ah: so you admit Holyfield did so, but you're shifting the blame onto Holyfield's opponents? How insensitive of them to get angry with his dirty tactics!

 

I never find suspicious, odd or surprising when brawlers and sluggers such as Dwight Qawi, Adilson Maguila Rodrigues, Seamus McDonagh, Ray Mercer, Mike Tyson or Vinny Maddalone had to do something in order to turn the tide in their favour.

Notable seems almost like rare example. Possibly you have just dreamt about those but it doesn't surprise me that you did so picturing Holyfield doing faults...

It's called sending a message across the ring and to the other corner. Seems that Holyfield was not interested in "carrying" Lewis all the way to the finish line. Mercante Jnr. was pissed at both ( very much like Mills in Lewis-Akinwande), actually he carried Lennox like a baby and the british lion didn't seem angry by the *** smile he put in his face.

I do recall that but it seems that that was a stumble. Holyfield took everything Lewis could throw and came back with more of his own just like against Qawi, Dokes, Bowe, Tyson, just about everyone. Holyfield just fought in circles against Foreman... Ridiculous to question Holyfield's courage - pure hatred I would say.

No, I'm saying that many of his opponents ( post-Tyson) have said so, which is very different from saying that he did heabutt. The first real headbutt that started all of this was the accidental clash of heads in round 7 against Tyson, then Holyfield opened a gash on his eye with the left glove in the second fight and I don't need to remember you what Tyson did next and since you consider Holyfield dirtier than Tyson. Basically all of those guys - Maddalone, Savarese and Ibragimov must have seen the Tyson-Holyfield fights so many times that they must have thought that they were Tyson in fact.