Was Lennox the last all-time great HW champion?

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  1. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wladimir held divisional crown for a decade. Weak era, absolutely. Still the top dog for a lengthy time period. Top 15 all time HW, I'd say that's ATG status within a division.

    Vitali I may personally draw the line on, but still hard to tell the story of the HW division over the last 130 years without mentioning him (even if it is as the lesser half of the brother duo).
     
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  2. infini IV

    infini IV Active Member Full Member

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    WK was the last great. And for the record Povetkin easily beats Holyfield
     
  3. HerolGee

    HerolGee Obsessed with Boxing booted Full Member

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    how?
     
  4. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Povetkin's best weight was in the 220's. I don't believe he ever weighed in the 240's. This misinformation renders your opinion bunk.
     
  5. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum heavyweightblog.com Full Member

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    I speak about the different weight classes of their competition.

    Just compare the 2010s with the 90's really big difference in average weights.

    Just check annual ratings and compare the average weights of the top 10 fighters for each year.
     
  6. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    So? Povetkins best wins were against guys around the same size as Holyfield - Chaggy , Chambers , Byrd , Takum , Huck.

    There's a big gap in quality between those guys and early 90's Holyfield who beat bigger guys such as Bowe , Douglas , Foreman , Holmes , Mercer and Tyson.

    Tyson was the smallest guy there but he was still bigger than 211 Byrd , 209 Huck and 219 Chambers.

    As for how the fight would go , if Povetkin land one punch , Holy lands 2 in return. If he lands 3 , Holy lands 4. There is no case whatsoever to be made for Povetkin beating Holyfield.
     
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  7. HerolGee

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    Wlad comes closest but its very difficult to call someone great who needed another man in order to stay in possession of a title for any length of time. Imagine if Joe Louis had needed tag team partners to keep his title, what a joke...or in fact any champ. We should not give wlad a free pass for it.

    To put things inperspective, Wlad being an ATG is bizarre idea when the green Joshua has already gone past him....so Joshua is a greater ATG! well noone would call him that yet.
     
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  8. mrtony80

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    Nah, if you don't matter in the US, you don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Name one fighter who never fought in the US, but is considered a true atg, and don't say Khaosai Galaxy.
     
  9. GALVATRON

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    Every era has produced an or ATG's which shows its a label anyway. An ATG usually is the guy who dominated his era so last one was both Klitschko brothers, so Wlad is.

    it's not about waiting , you get one after every era is done or something significant happens to put a fighter in the category during his active career .

    People really don't know what their talking about , getting labeled an ATG is what the fighter does in his own era .
     
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  10. The Professor

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    As others have said, to assert that Wlad Klitchko was not an ATG is absurd. He dominated an era for an extended period of time, beating all the challengers put in front of him. He's not just an ATG, he a "no doubt about it" ATG.

    Vitali is more arguable, but a strong case can be made for him as well. But one thing is for sure and that's that Lewis was NOT the last ATG HW.
     
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  11. archdeacon99

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    Emmanuel Steward put Wlad at number 8, Lewis at 4 just behind Foreman. Wlad was never Undisputed because he ducked the next best guy out yhere and I'd put Vitali ahead of him. Lewis is the last Undisputed champion and an all time great.
     
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  12. archdeacon99

    archdeacon99 Member Full Member

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    Byrd's promoter Don King actually paid Lewis $1million and gave him a car not to fight Byrd, he wanted to set up a series Ruiz Jones for WBA, Holyfield Byrd for IBF, winners fight for both titles with the winner fighting Lewis for Undisputed. Jones dumped the WBA belt and didn't fight Byrd.
     
  13. HerolGee

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    if u combine both vits and wlad then it constitutes one lesser atg.
     
  14. Ra's Al-Ghul

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    Maybe if that one is named Marciano, but they accomplished together more than Ali alone certainly. While each of them was greater than Frazier and Norton (possible together).

    By the way achieved Mayweather clearly more than Morales and de la Hoya together. While Ross, Larcin, Toney and McFarland together achieved less than Hearns alone.
     
  15. Gabriel Syme

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    I won't argue that analysis of style, but I base my opinion more Vitali's toughness, tenacity and relentlessness. He could fight through extreme adversity and had a killer instinct.
    Wlad could dominate for 12 rounds and usually land that KO punch, but he was in serious trouble the moment things started going wrong. I don't think he could have ever gone 12 rounds against Vitali with nothing going wrong.