was Leonard the favorite when he fought Terry Norris???

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  1. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    anyone know??

    and anyone know at what odds??
     
  2. JohnThomas1

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    Solid fave, but not sure i'll ever find the mag lol
     
  3. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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  4. My dinner with Conteh

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    At the close of betting I think he was 2 1/2 to 1 fave. Arena way more than half-empty too. Only around 3,500 tickets sold.
     
  5. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    you got to remember norris hadnt shown that much in his career he looked ot be a chinny undisciplined overachiever.

    he had been brutally blown apart by jackson (people forget that norris got up from it) he had been outpointed and had a dq on his resume before this. he looked the weakest title holder at the time. and he had a pretty short reach for his hieght.leonard def picked norris to be his prize chicken. thinking his bigger size and power would of been enough to dominate him.
    also norris was billed at 5'8 or 5'7 somwhere. so i think leonard thought he would have a hieght advantage aswell.

    leonard was a decent fav but most in th eknow knew that ray had been sliding off... after he had been knocked down in most of his previous fights. and it wasnt a hagler he was with it was a youthful active and pacey fighter he was with.

    looking back i would of given norris a pretty good chance when leonard was at light middlewieght.


    also very strange that this was the only time leonard was at MSG...
     
  6. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In fact, I had been waiting for it knowing the suffering and humiliation that lay ahead for him.

    The Terrible one was heavily favored to win, 3-1 if I remember correctly. Still, I haven't found one soul who actually came out publicly before hand predicting a Norris win.

    People didn't realize at the time leonard's weaknesses as a fighter which were overlooked in the Hearns fight and resurfaced once again. Terry was asking some pretty hard questions from Ray, questions he wasn't able to answer and came apart quite easily the first time he met up with someone who made things complicated for him.

    Norris was absolutely brilliant in this fight, his second best career performance against a big name. Terry's constant movement and fast combinations had Leonard confused and reeling by the end of the second and by the thrid round, already had Ray in his hip pocket.
     
  7. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In fact, the Norris fight is where I got this remark from "It only take one good zinging Sugar ray leonard punch to turn things around" brought to you by the famous fight doctor Ferdie Pacheco
     
  8. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Even the Ray Leonard in 1984 looked very mediocre at 154, he would get owned by norris everytime.
     
  9. Sweet Pea

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    Norris was great at 154, took an excellent punch.

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  10. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah cuz getting ko'd by julian jackson is a joke right.
     
  11. Sweet Pea

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    No, but I didn't have the link to the Simon Brown or Keith Mullings fights.
     
  12. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Norris was a prime example for why we should not have most of the junior weights.

    Glassed chinned, poor ring-general that would have got nowhere near a belt had he fought at middleweight.
     
  13. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Brownpimp88 this is nothing more than sour grapes for the humiliation at the hands of Norris. it's bad enough that Norris just beat him but to do it with the ease with which he did it kills them. This is the reason why it was hushed up in the press including Sports Illustrated article written by William Nack, AKA spindoctor and sportswriter.

    All fans know Leonard can't claim supremacy as a fighter because he couldn't beat Norris, the kind of fighter with just the right attributes I said would do the job. These people hate the fact It's considered sacriledge to bring up this fight and are ashamed of the fact. Because of this they like to bring forth the fighter who could do what leonard could not-Julian Jackson.


    Like i said before, Leonard was a good fighter and fought valiantly but he's no Julian Jackson.
     
  14. Sweet Pea

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    Leonard was in his prime at WW about 10 years prior to this fight at JMW. That's probably a bigger reason why we don't take it quite so seriously. Similar to how you don't take any of Camacho's brutal, embarassing ass-whoopings seriously, which seemed to be the outcome of most of his important fights in the 90's.
     
  15. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah Camacho was fighting guys twice his size, there's a difference.

    That's why Ray Leonard will never be no ray robinson, he shouldnt call himself sugar at all. Robinson beat up guys like fullmer and basilio when he was 37-38 and had over 200 fights. A 34 year old leonard gets beaten soundly by someone of the same size and quits like usual.