was Leonard the favorite when he fought Terry Norris???

Camacho was beaten like a red-headed step-child by Chavez, someonw his own size, and didn't even put up a fight. I think he had the fight confused with a track meet, as he did nothing but run around the ring trying to delay the inevitable beating that was to come.

Leonard was clearly done as an elite fighter by that time in his career, and even before, and you morons are trying to act as if it was Leonard at his best. And he quit? He lasted the full 12. If anything, that shows you Norris's lack of finishing ability that he wasn't able to finish an aging fighter who he'd already hurt in the fight early.

 

I meant he quit boxing, if he was anything like the real sugar, he would have rematched terry norris and find a way to win, like robinson did his whole illustrious career. There is a reason why he's not in his league.

Camacho was at the same stage in his career in 1992 that Leonard was in 1991, so why is it ok to excuse leonard but not camacho?

People try and act like Camacho is a big joke. If anyone actually followed the history of boxing during his run, which was 1983-1990, they would know that he was heavily feared. No one wanted to come out and publicly challenge him. People try and act like rosario was so robbed, Hector outboxed him for practically 70% of the fight.

 

Camacho had began his career 9 years previously, Leonard had began his career 14 years previously I believe, with inactive spells in between, including a near two year inactive spell prior to fighting Norris. There's a pretty clear difference here, don't even try to respond.

Hector outboxed him for the majority, but every time he got caught with a punch he'd run for next couple rounds. Seriously, how the hell do you back a fighter like that so strongly and then try to run down Leonard?

So why did his reign end so early? Too many wars? Or are you just excusing his loss to a guy like Haugen, and his humiliating beating at the hands of Chavez? And you have the nerve to defend this but expect us to believe that Leonard was in his prime against Norris in 91? That's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

 

2 years or 14 months? Alot of boxers take 1 year and 2 months off. By the way Camacho was a 12 year pro by the time the fight started and he fought alot more.

He lost to Haugen cuz he didnt touch his gloves, like seriously did you even watch the fight?

I said Leonard was at the same stage of his career that Camacho was and I said Norris would have been a bad matchup for Leonard even if he was at his peak, you seriously need to learn how to read. Either you can't read or you mix the posts between me and redrooster.

 

I bet you can't wait for the upcoming Nelson - Fenech III Pimp. One of them is bound to go up or down your list depending on the result i bet.

 

So he's not as good as Sugar Ray Robinson, as if that's anything to be ashamed of.

If anyone should stop using a moniker its Norris, because he's not in Terrible Terry McGovern's league. McGovern didn't hang around in a junior division taking out shot fighters, he went up in weight and fought (and Ko'ed) bigger fighters that were in their primes. Can you imagine Norris with his chin fighting middleweights or supermiddles? He'd be getting Ko'ed by glancing blows from journeymen.

What stage in his career was he when the majority of the boxing press thought he lost to Edwin Rosario? What stage was he at when he lost to Greg Haugen? What stage was he at when he ran and nearly lost to a completely shot Ray Mancini?

Yeah and practically 70% of the boxing press thought Hector lost.

AND LMFAO@people fearing Camacho. If he stayed at lightweight instead of moving up to fight shot fighters like Howard Davis and Ray Mancini he would have had his ass handed to him by Whitaker and Chavez.

 

Old Hector and Norris were the greatest ones. Nobody quite done it like those guys.

 

Why was leonard finished? He was winning wasn't he? Cpme on and prove it.

Camacho was losing to the likes of greg Haugen while Leonard beat the great marvin Hagler. If anything, Leonard was much improved because he didn't have the problem of ring rust anymore and was at his more comfortable weight.So for the very reasons that leonard overcame in the Hagler fight, the ones that made him the special fighter you say he is, without those same obstacles he should be winning fights that much more impressively and be a dominant fighter as he was in the Duran fight.

If he could overcome ring rust and the weight difference with Hagler how come he can't give Norris a fight and which fight did he Sugar Ray decline on? You act like he was in a tough Saad Muhammud type fight where he took reams of punishment. leonard never took real punishment the way Hagler did so Leonard has no excuses for losing except for the ones I brought up.

You have to have a fight to point to in which Leonard began his decline but there are none and let's face it, the Hagler fight is his best career performance. So stop the play acting and just admit Terry Norris was better than him.

 

Like they say, "the bigger they are, the harder they fall"

 

Camacho wanted to unify the belts against bramble and paul, they wouldnt fight him. Bobby Chacon vacated his belt because he wouldnt fight camacho. Yeah Camacho was considered a big threat in his era, i know people that grew up watching it during that era and I have a crapload of magazines. You cant just read up and assume no one was scared of Camacho.

He didnt legitimately lose to Haugen at all, it was a stupid point deduction. I could care less if you think 70% of the boxingpress thought Rosario won. The truth is most of the press thought de la hoya beat whitaker, yet you try and convince everyone here that they all think whitaker was robbed.

 

You need to lay off the substance abuse.

 

The Norris fight was 4 years after the Hagler fight you silly featherduster. Are you trying to say Norris beat the same version Hagler did?

Stewart says Leonard showed he was declined goods in the Lalonde fight, which is again a year and a half after the Hagler fight. He said Leonard was just as shot as Hearns in their second battle.

Good to see the trolling business is still thriving tho. You just love all that Leonard defending and praising don't ya

 

Proof please, and i don't mean Wiki.

 

If he wanted it bad enough he could have become a mandatory for their belts. Bottom line though is that he should have fought at least one of Chavez, Taylor or Whitaker before 1990. I don't think either of those three were scared of him whatsoever, and if Camacho ever did face Whitaker and Chavez he would have been dealt with. Probably would have been dealt with by Taylor as well.

Yeah, as if the point deduction was the only thing going for Haugen in the fight. Personally, I had it scored a draw, but the fact that he came so close to losing to Haugen is embarassing in and of itself and I have no problem with anyone scoring that for Haugen anyway. Haugen did not win a minute of any round against Whitaker and if Camacho fought Whitaker in 89-90 it would have been the same. A couple of years earlier and a green Pea would have merely 8-4'ed him.

I thought it was already pretty apparent that you could care less about facts, so forgive me for not being surprised.

You always have to try and drop a reference to Whitaker to wind me up and the sad thing is you always get countered and then STFU.

Please state your sources for thinking that most of the press thought DLH beat Whitaker.

I know this much about the press from that fight:

A narrow majority of ringsiders had Whitaker winning (words of Jim Lampley)

And from other sources I know of:

Ring magazine, ABC, ESPN and CNN had Whitaker ahead.

Boxing 97 had DLH ahead (though Ron Borges in Boxing 98 said he thought Whitaker had the edge) and Boxing News had DLH ahead

Other than that I know Mike Katz had Whitaker taking the decision, and called DLH "Chicken DLH" after he ran from a Whitaker rematch and fought a slew of shot and bum fighters instead.

 

Heck, I'd even take Wiki proof from the dip**** that the majority of the press felt DLH beat Whitaker.