Was Liston just a bully?

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  1. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Reading some threads on here and apparently all you had to do was stand up to him and game on.

    Personally i see a h2h monster in prime Sonny.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I also see him as a H2H monster. It's funny how his stock rises and falls around here as posters come and go. Some people on here now were already declaring Wilder as an ATG if memory serves me correct. SMH
     
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  3. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Exactly.
    Imagine what a '58 Liston does to Wilder!
     
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  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    No he was not just a bully.

    He was pretty much the complete package head to head.

    He was prepared to absorb a lot of physical punishment in order to win a fight.

    His weakness, was that he failed to hold it together, when everything was going A over T for him.
     
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  5. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    I think one of Liston's greatest strengths was his ability to intimidate, and I think he gets overrated due to his fights with Patterson (in the same light that Tyson gets overrated due to his fight with Spinks)

    That being said, Liston is a H2H monster. Top 10 staple IMO, great puncher and could take a hit too
     
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  6. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    He must be up there with the very best when comparing allround abilities.
    Stay on the outside and that jab ruins you.
    Mix it up and he willingly obliges.
     
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  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    He could box, he could fight, he was a master ring general, and an intuitive fighter.

    That is a powerful combination!
     
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  8. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Any of you guys ever watched this?

    This content is protected
     
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  9. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I think there's a bad tendancy to take things to the extreme here. If someone has a bit of something, then that becomes all they were.
     
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  10. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not sure I would label him “just a bully”....but if he was, he was pretty good at it!
     
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  11. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was a top ten ATG imo...I used to rank him in the 10-20 range till I started looking at his record and hearing the arguments. Although 1 title defense hurts him he was basically avoided for awhile and beat the contenders anyway in their primes. Hard to argue his resume.
     
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  12. Saintpat

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    Sonny didn't have enough champion in him. Fearsome in many respects but those who lacked fear obviously did pretty well with him.
     
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  13. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I really tire of the Tyson/Liston trope that they were just bullies and, if you stood up to them, they would cower and retreat. My retort has always been... Go ahead, then, and stand up to them.
     
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  14. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Williams didnt fear him,how did he do? Same with DeJohn,Folley,Wepner, and Valdes.
     
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  15. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Excellent
     
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