Was Liston Totally Finished, After Ali 2.?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Fergy, Jun 21, 2022.

  1. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Feb 10, 2013
    Maybe you can get him to explain to me how the mob makes money on fighters they keep on the shelf by fighting for low purses in backwaters off tv... You must be a brilliant business man.
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  2. Holmes77

    Holmes77 Member banned Full Member

    May 28, 2022
    Not explaining nothing to you. Have a good day
  3. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Feb 10, 2013
    I didnt think so.
  4. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 23, 2019
    He would have squashed Ellis. Quarry would have been interesting.
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  5. Holmes77

    Holmes77 Member banned Full Member

    May 28, 2022
  6. BoB Box

    BoB Box Member Full Member

    Jun 13, 2022
    Good point. If Liston was so good before Ali and so good after Ali then doesent that help the argument that Liston threw the first fight by quiting in the corner then taking a dive in the second fight pretending to get knocked out? Interesting
  7. Rope-a-Dope

    Rope-a-Dope Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jan 20, 2015
    Still a top fighter. But after Ali, he was at best a distant second and just a long slow fade from then on.
  8. billyb71

    billyb71 Member banned Full Member

    Jun 6, 2022
    I think the Clay fights were probably fixed.
  9. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

    May 18, 2006
    Not so sure about that. Watching Ellis trounce Martin compared to how sluggish Liston looked against the same fighter makes me think Ellis would have been too mobile and fast for the ponderous Liston of the late 1960’s.

    Quarry was tough but had a tendency to cut which makes me think Liston with that great jab (which was really the only great thing he had left by that stage) could exploit that. Still Quarry was tough and Liston would in no way have an intimidation factor over the brave Jerry. A very good and interesting match up!
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  10. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    Jan 8, 2017
    Now that's a discussion /argument that's been fought /chewed over, on here, for absolutely years!
  11. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    May 30, 2019
    I agree with your overall point, but to be fair to Liston, he faced quite a few injuries in the ring before Ali loss and he didn't back up.
  12. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Active Member Full Member

    Jun 1, 2018
    Amen, Klomp, you nailed it.
  13. ThatOne

    ThatOne Well-Known Member Full Member

    Jan 13, 2022
    Ali ruined him. There would no second act ala George Foreman.
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  14. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

    Jul 15, 2008
    Liston quit in the rematch against Ali. Yes when he finally got up he was fighting but he had no choice as Ali started to attack him. Why he quit no one knows but likely a combination of elements. Keep in mind he was highly inactive going into the first Ali fight, overconfident and under prepared. He was likely a few years older than reported and a heavy drinker He was still a dangerous man post Ali but it always comes down to styles and Ali was too good for that middle aged man. Post Ali who knows. Likely looking for the easiest road back to a big payday. I’ve read he very much wanted Frazier thinking Joe was made for him. He may have passed on some opportunities but what late age fighter didn’t when trying to find the easiest payday path? I certainly don’t think he was a coward. He showed plenty of guts in his career. He simply knew better than anyone that he was old and past it. Look at the terrible opposition post title Baer fought trying to get a Louis rematch. Look at the entire second career of Foreman and his cherry picked opposition. It’s common.
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  15. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    Jan 8, 2017
    He'd have still been as dangerous as post Holyfield, Tyson imo.
    Still able to knock some of the guys he faced out. Anyone not called Ali could still be at risk.
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