Was Lloyd Honeyghan’s victory over Donald Curry at welterweight a flash in the pan victory?

saw him in the first McCrory fight

I dont believe the "Curry was weakened making weight" theory

Consider, Curry lost to McCallum only months later - by KNOCKOUT. weight NOT an issue

what was his excuse THIS time??

then the Norris fight,, too OLD now?

although he looked great decimating sub par opposition, we saw how Curry folded every time when pitted against top level fighters, who forced him out of his comfort zone, taking him to his limits and beyond; similar to how Jerry Quarry fared when faced with the top heavyweights

 

he always looks like that!

 

Oh stop it. Milton could punch harder then Honeyghan evidenced as when he dropped still chin Jones.
And he also dropped Santana who was pretty tough.
Curry because you more then likely don't know beat up Davey Moore in the amateur ranks and Davey could flat out CRACK.
Honeyghan was a soild pro who seized the moment like he should have and wasn't intimidated and all credit to him for that because that is a big accomplishment. He definitely deserves credit for the win. He's not responsible for what Curry does.
But lets get one thing straight: at his best Curry cleans Honeyghans clock.
Hence why Llyodd turned down $350,000 rematch at jr.middleweight.

 

That's because Mike has always been a slow starter.
That fight was one minute Curry looks good the next he looks frozen.

 

I'm not going to even entertain someone who never saw Curry fight in person.
Don't tell me what he always looks like when I've seen him since his amateur days.
He looked gaunt in the Honeyghan fight.

 

Look at Don's face!

Check out his eye, swelling shut. Mike was beating him up

The strain was showing on Don, left himself open, similar to how Kalambay left HIMSELF open for Nunn, and in an instant, was on the floor flat on his back for the count

I'm sorry but I'm sticking to my assessment

 

I watched all of Jones' career from the ABA's in 1976 when, as a 17 year old, he iced the England Captain, Paul Kelly to book his Olympic berth.
He and Curry trained in our gym in the last fortnight before their fight. I could see that Colin couldn't beat Curry unless he got a bit lucky and nailed him but Curry gave you no triggers or clues.
As for the weight. Don trained in a sweat suit and weighed in after every session. He really was counting the ounces.
I also knew two pro's who fought Honeyghan, Cliff Gilpin and Kostas Petrou. I'll leave you to Boxrec those results. I was at the first Gilpin fight when Cliff dropped Lloyd.
All Honeyghan wanted from Boxing was to be rich. Curry was his chance and he was sensational that night but Curry;s struggle with the weight was very real and your dismissal of Colin Jones does you little credit.
On another point and I haven't checked it, didn't Marlon Starling, who you also dismissed, batter Lloyd in '88 ?
No disrespect Mark, it's all about opinions but if you've done a bit yourself and especially if you've been close up to these fellows, you'd have a tad more respect for how incredibly tough and talented they are and what a hard, hard life Boxing is.

 

Neither Colin nor Starling was what you would call impressive

I first saw Starling and Curry in 1982. Starling couldnt even capitalize on Curry's impaired condition (Curry had the stomach flu)

and pissed away his chance, wasting time on something called "the Starling stomp"

No fire, just like I said

Also watched Colin in a 1983 fight vs McCrory. Put up a decent effort and probably should have won but I can honestly say, he was NOTHING like what I saw when Lloyd had his chance, and wound up destroying The MAN himself with those long range combnations to the head. Colin didn't have that ability and that is why Lloyd succeeded where Colin came up short

Curry was a very good fighter, but he tended to fall short against the more distinguished best of the best competition

 

Really good post.

 

Leonard when he was younger was a bit of a jerk to be honest with you.
He always seemed to be jealous of anyone who got any praise if it wasn't him.
He tried his hand at management and he was a horrible manager.
He had Quincy Taylor and Robert Byrd. Two outstanding prospects.
His management especially with Quincy was horrible.
Think he had a sponsorship with Coors light.
But when he was younger he was not a very nice person at all.
He came to our gym like twice and kicked everyone out because he decided he wanted to workout at that gym. Didn't matter that people were in the middle of sparring. Or the heavy bag. Everyone had to leave.
Even the pro boxers.
Alot of people local HATED him especially the area pro boxers.

 

People forget Curry had freaking 400 amateur fights which will for sure put some wear on you.

 

He trained Andrew Maynard too ...a 1988 gold medalist

 

He was a terrific fighter but he was never going to be a long term champ.
Too many distraction s in his life etc. But 86 to 88, he was the real deal.
His off night to Vaca was put right and showed when his head was on, how good he could be.