Was Louis more shot against Marciano than Tyson was against Lewis?

No ,according to himself he was thoroughly ****ed off when Walcott upset the apple cart and his plans for a rematch with Charles as he said,"Walcott definitely didn't want to fight me again".Louis took the second Brion fight instead. Louis won 3 of the first 5 rounds on one card against Marciano ,whom he described later as "a street brawler, but very tough and very strong" and," a better puncher than Schmeling."

 

To your edits...

So? All pro fighters fight for pay, that doesn't mean they are not serious or want to win.


We can go through and argue individual names and what it means to be a contender....the point was he was putting work in against live bodies. Flynn was rated by RING as late as 48 I believe and in the mix.

Lol...ok, I already said I don't dispute that. I dispute you and Gee twisting that into admission of not trying to win.

 

Ok, so you gone from Louis didn't care to win the title to agreeing with me that he wanted to rematch Charles. Weird.

Well, the quote suggests he certainly wanted Walcott but felt he was being ducked.

You spent the last page arguing that Louis didn't want the title, and now you post his desire to fight two Champions lol

This is a great counter response to Gee, not me...

 

No Louis knew Walcott would not face him in defence of his title.He said so.

"Everything was going along OK and I was looking forward to meeting Ezzard Charles[2nd time].Now damn it if this wasn't my bad luck poking out again.Charles gave Walcott another go at the ttile,and damned if Walcott didnt knock him out in the seventh round!"

It seems to me there are a couple of posters ascribing thoughts and motives to Louis that he ,according to himself ,did not hold. Neither of those posters are Herol Gee or myself:think

Neither did Louis want to fight Marciano ,it was strictly for the $$$$.Louis had not made over $180,000 for any fight after the Charles defeat.he owed the government $1000,000 with $100,000 a year in interest on it.

"To tell you the truth I didn't think too much of Marciano."
"So though I didn' t want to fight Marciano I couldn't turn down the guaranteed $300,000 for one fight,"

 

No ,I never implied that Louis did not want to regain the title, what I said was his motive for returning to the ring was to pay off his back taxes.and I have Louis's spoken and written word confirming that. Louis said he knew Walcott would never fight him again so the idea that Walcott winning the title was a heart warming thing for Louis is total BS as I have illustrated in my last post with a direct quote from Louis himself.
This is an old tactic of yours exaggerating/distorting the point a poster has made that you do not agree with.
It is similar to when you dilute/alter a previous statement you have made when the veracity of it is proven to be false.

On the subject of direct ,verifiable quotes from Louis ,there appears to be an absence of them coming from either you or Choklab though both of you have given your own interpretation of Louis' actions during 1949 .:huh

 

So you don't feel the quote about Charles contradicts the inner thoughts Glee was projecting on Louis?

 

He can still be motivated by taxes and want to win the title, that was my whole argument against Glee.

And what you spent a page trying to tear down.

Regarding Walcott, it sounds like we are right in that he was confident he could beat him if he got him in the ring.

Marciano was money but also a cement as the number one outstanding contender to Walcott. Call me crazy, I think he wanted to beat Marciano.

 

I think it's Gee which ,I assume is from Errol Graham.
To answer your question no.Louis stated categorically he came back to pay of his tax debt.Which is what EG has said.

Louis ."The reason I came back-taxes".

" While I was sitting in the dressing room on September 27th ,it was all I could do not to tell Mannie Seamon to call it off.

I wasn't ready for Charles,-but what the hell- the government needed their money ,and I had to live too."

 

"when was Flynn a contender"

If we are talking about Johnny Flynn, he was #4 in the yearly Ring magazine rankings in 1948.

 

Don't worry about my spending, I have both time and money.:hey


I'm at something of a loose end as my partner is babysitting two of the grandchildren.
Point being Louis knew Walcott would not give him the chance, so any thoughts that Louis was encouraged by Walcott upsetting Charles with that perfect left hook ,as Chok has said ,are wide of the mark.
I'm not confident that Louis could have beaten Walcott at that stage of his career though ,are you?

 

No. Glee stated Louis was in no way serious about regaining the title.

Yet you quoted him wanting Charles in a rematch.

Glee also projected Louis did not envision defending the title which I see no quotes to confirm.

 

You are right and I am wrong, thanks for the correction.:good

1948 was ,as Frank Sinatra said,"A Very Good Year ",well it was for me at least,it saw my emergence into the world .

 

Besides that monumental achievement,

I will give 1948 this--it was a hell of a lot better than most of the years of the 1930's and the first half of the 1940's.

 

I believe there is a difference . GEE was referring to Louis ' first comeback attempt after his 2 years absence. Louis was referring to his abortive planned second fight with Charles.
Gee can correct me if I mis-read him as I don't profess to have insight into his mind.
I'm not responsible for Gee's quotes, or the lack of them ,you need to ask him about that.
I see no quotes from you reinforcing your position in any of your posts of this thread.

 

I believe most Brits and Americans would heartily agree with you on that!
It was quite auspicious for the UK as, apart from producing the future most unpopular poster on Classic ,we hosted the Olympic Games that year too!