Was Louis more shot against Marciano than Tyson was against Lewis?

So you are so desperate to disagree with me, you have resorted to bending others quotes for them. Yes, maybe you should let Glee fight his own battles.

What needs to be quoted? I never projected Louis inner thoughts as facts as Glee did.

 

The winner of Marciano vs Louis was supposed to get a shot at Charles\Walcott IV winner.

I'm sure Louis would have loved to beat Marciano and been in that spot to challenge either man. Now, I didn't post a quote on that..but it doesn't seem like a stretch.

 

How kind of curious how this is even a question. Louis beat rated contenders and strung together good wins to get his shot. Tyson did not. To me is a very clear and obvious answer. Tyson was more shot.

 

I'm not desperate about anything ,if you make a statement I agree with ,I'll agree with you.
I'm bending nothing I said ,if my presumption of GEE's remarks are wrong he can correct me. What is the problem with you calling him by his Avatar name ?

 

I'd say you were right,Lous was still capable of holding his own against most contenders, but not destroying them as he would have done anywhere near his prime.
Prime Louis was so good that even the diminished later version was still a rated contender, it's just that ,by his standards of excellence he looks like a ghost in his later fights.

 

A little late for that.

First, you accused me of being no better than Glee. An accusation we are both projecting inner thoughts.

You than reverberate my own argument against Glee, adding quotes that contradict his projections and support my argument.

Next, you claim Glee made no projections, it was only me and choklab.

Now, you are suggesting Glee projections was right if you interpret them a certain way though I still see no quotes or even a good argument about Louis not wanting to win and defend the title.

 

I think Louis knew he was not as good as he had been, he just didn't know if that was still good enough yet.

I think having a former knockout victim of his being World champion, who was as old as he was, gave Joe Louis a whole lot of confidence.

 

The same way you think that in a small corner in the mind of every contender (who is short of quality to beat a champion) knows that he can't win the title.

I came up with it. I came up with it because it seems logical that a guy who had what it took to be champion for a long time would get confidence when he discovers a guy he knocked out years earlier was now champion. And that guy is a bit older than he is.

I imagine Larry Holmes fancied his chances with Bonecrusher Smith when he wound up as champ.

 

I've shown that some of your assertions on this thread are wrong .eg Louis having exhibitions with numerous contenders, 2 actually.Now you just want an argument

I did not accuse you of anything,the desperate one appears to be you determined to have an argument,well have one with someone else.

 

Yes we both assume things.

Do we assume Larry Holmes might have felt confident of beating Bonecrusher Smith after he wound up champion? Do we assume if Holmes was ranked, active and worked up a 9 fight streak around that time he might be itching for a rematch with Smith?

 

No. I wasn't wrong. You just listed three fighters that appeared on the year end ratings in 49 because you disagee on the definition of genuine contender.
I wouldn't limit the label ,contender, in 1949 to year end Ring top 10, you do. I would count Layne, Flynn,..etc. How many qualify to be a slew for you?

Classic mcvey. Attacks your posts and claims to not give a shot when pushed back.

 

You included Comiskey whom he didn't face.Sheppard who was retired,Valdes who was not a contender by any stretch of the imagination, and Bivins who did not share the ring with Louis until after the Charles fight.
That's four that have no business there.

I conceded Agramonte,Layne and Flynn that's three I mentioned.

I can't argue names you haven't provided .

So who are these genuine contenders he gave exhibitions with between April and September 1949?

You're not pushing me ,I can handle you when I'm half asleep.
I just don't see the point of posting replies to you when all you want to do is have a row with me because you dislike me.,its rather pathetic really. Rather like you referring to Errol Gee as Glee.